Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Naczelnik

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. For deletion. Whether to change to a dab page is a matter for ongoing editorial consensus-finding. Sandstein 13:47, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Naczelnik[edit]

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The article has no essence. The word is a literal translation into Polish of the generic terms "chief" or "head" and nothing beyond that (and nothing in the article suggests that something can be beyond that). The article had references in Polish language, but of course they use the word "nachelnik" wherever the English text would use the word "chief" or "head". - üser:Altenmann >t 15:48, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I don't mind a few articles here and there with some local flavour. We also have Knyaz for the word Duke among numerous similar examples. BTW, the Russian term Nachalnik doesn't mean the same thing. It is more like a governor. Poeticbent talk 01:32, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- And what flavor does it have beyond literal translation? "Knyaz" is not "Duke". But "naczelnik" is "chief". - üser:Altenmann >t 02:29, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - I disagree, both have their own flavors. It is just that you are more familiar with Knyaz. Now, perhaps a merger of that with Naczelnik Państwa could be considered. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:22, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - Sure, "Naczelnik Poczty", a very original title, and how 'Naczelnik Panstwa' is not the same as 'Head of State'? - üser:Altenmann >t 14:44, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. While we do not have Wikipedia:Notability (titles), this is a notable Polish title. As my proof for that, take the following encyclopedic entries on that very title in Polish encyclopedias online: [1] and [2], [3] (those for Naczelnik Państwa). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:22, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, sure. And here is the Googe translation of this Polish encyclopedia article 'naczelnik':
chief, supervisor, leader;

Chief of tribe, family, organization, office, etc .; in Poland 1973-1990 territorial state authority (municipalities, cities and villages, cities up to 50 thousand inhabitants; district in the city); the executive body and managing the national council and abolished by the 1990 Act on Local Self-Government and Law on government employees; ZHP also superior; former commander in chief, for example. uprising; title used by T. Kosciuszko during the revolt of 1794 in the January Uprising underground organ of government (heads of districts, provinces and cities).

I say, a common word. Every language has the same one. Here is Russian title:

nachalnik: Начальник штаба (Chief of Staff), Начальник политического отдела (chief of political department), начальник конницы (chief of cavalry), начальник ГУЛАГA (chief of GULAG) начальник НКВД (chief of NKVD), Гражданин начальник (oh, you cannot just translate this; this really deserves an article, or a section), Военный начальник (Military Chief), Вахтенный начальник (Chief of Watch), Земский начальник (Head of Zemstvo), and 1000 more. This does to mean that I am going to write the article nachalnik. - üser:Altenmann >t 15:00, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Please provide non-Polish sources which confirm that this word has some content beyond a dictionary definition "chief", "head" in Polish language. - üser:Altenmann >t 15:02, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:06, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:06, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:06, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merge selectively (that is, the part about Kościuszko) with Naczelnik państwa. The other uses (naczelnik poczty, policji) are not notable. — Kpalion^(talk) 15:34, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Rewrite as a disambiguation page per NewYorkActuary's proposal below. — Kpalion^(talk) 22:16, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —☮JAaron95 ^Talk 14:33, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Swarm ♠ 04:05, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal. I propose that the page be re-written to be a disambiguation page. I'm thinking of something along the lines of the already-existing El Jefe. If the proposal is accepted, I'll be happy to do the re-write. NewYorkActuary (talk) 03:57, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- What articles would it disambiguate? — Kpalion^(talk) 09:29, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The three articles that are linked in the instant article (Kosciuszko, Pitsudski and Naczelnik panstwa), plus the article on the scouting organization (ZHP). NewYorkActuary (talk) 15:09, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, by "article on the scouting organization", I meant Naczelnik ZHP. NewYorkActuary (talk) 15:22, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That might work. — Kpalion^(talk) 22:16, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Update. I've placed a draft of my proposed revision on this page's Talk page. Note that I've commented out the Disambiguation template. This will need to be restored if the draft is accepted. NewYorkActuary (talk) 05:30, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.