Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nabi Tajima (2nd nomination)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and redirect to List of Japanese supercentenarians. As per a lot of AfDs on this subject, we have a number of SPAs. There are a couple of good-faith Keeps from good contributors, but that's about it. The consensus of good-faith comments is to delete. However, I don't see an issue with redirecting after deletion to the list article, so that's what I've done. Black Kite (talk) 19:28, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nabi Tajima[edit]

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This person's only claim to notability was her advanced age. Her name and age are properly recorded in various tables, such as List of Japanese supercentenarians and List of the verified oldest people. Available sources do not cover her life and deeds in any noteworthy detail, and the article offers nothing more than trivia about other "recordholders", hence WP:NOPAGE applies. — JFG talk 13:25, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 17:12, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 17:12, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This article fails WP:GNG, WP:BIO1E, and WP:NOPAGE. There is no policy that the "oldest x" is notable and this article is packed with longevity fancruft like she was the last known person born in the 19th century, her family tree, record information about other people and her secret to longevity, all to pad the article. Her name, life dates, and nationality are best handled on the four lists they already reside on. This WP:PERMASTUB is not needed. I would also point out that Guinness World Records never named her as the worlds oldest person and even the GRG lists her age claim as suspect 1 (that's why they italicized her entry here). The reason for her so called notability may very well be false. Newshunter12 (talk) 00:11, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reaching a certain age is an lifetime accomplishment not 1 event. It is an achievement that takes over 110 years and because it is notable, reliable sources begin covering these people. This is how we determine notability here. In fact there are more billionaires than supercentenarians because to reach such age is more difficult and more notable than earning a billion in net worth. Rarely does NOPAGE apply because most sources do not just state their age, they question their lifestyle to research how such longevity is achieved. It is only common sense to cover supercentenarians in fact we should have even more articles about them, but this history of deleting supercentenarians has been very destructive to Wikipedia. Valoem talk contrib 15:14, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your WP:ILIKEIT speech, which added nothing to this discussion. Newshunter12 (talk) 00:39, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This person has been covered by reliable sources therefore passes GNG. This is a rationale based on policy not WP:ILIKEIT. Valoem talk contrib 10:28, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep Per the first AFD nomination she's the Oldest Verified Person Ever from the continent of Asia and the Third Oldest Person in history also she has received a lot of press coverage so that makes her notable. Into the Rift (talk) 12:40, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Into the Rift has been blocked as a sockpuppet. Newshunter12 (talk) 09:33, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Not notable. Please point me to the policy that says that the oldest something is notable. » Shadowowl | talk 15:39, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep She is the 3rd verified oldest person EVER. She is certainly notable. RightGot (talk) 20:55, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There is no notability guideline or policy that the "oldest x" is notable or entitled to an article. Guinness World Records, the authority on these pages on this issue, also never named her as the worlds oldest person and the GRG lists her age claim as suspect. Why does she have an article again? Newshunter12 (talk) 23:39, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete the nom is quite correct here. Legacypac (talk) 05:26, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, sources provided in the article clearly shows WP:NOPAGE does not apply the source also establish clear notability. It is more difficult to be a supercentenarian than it is to be a celebrity. Reaching 117 years of age and being covered by reliable sources is notable. Valoem talk contrib 15:12, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There is no notability guideline or policy that the "oldest x" is notable or entitled to an article. Guinness World Records, the authority on these pages on this issue, also never named her as the worlds oldest person and the GRG lists her age claim as suspect. Claiming age 117 doesn't mean a whole lot when the reliable sources don't seem to believe it. Newshunter12 (talk) 23:39, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Minibio on the Japanese list and redirect, in her case there's a little bit here mixed in with the longevity trivia, enough for a paragraph on the Japanese supercentenarian list, but nowhere near enough for a full page. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:08, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@The Blade of the Northern Lights I think your mistaken on this one. Guinness never named Tajima the worlds oldest person for a reason and the GRG lists her claim as suspect. The following is a bit WP:CRYSTALBALL, but she appears to be another Kamato Hongo in the making. Quite old, but not as old as she claimed to be. All things considered, deletion makes more sense. Newshunter12 (talk) 00:39, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You are correct. After I look this over again, delete; suspect claims of marginal notability are better off left out. For some reason I got her and Miyako mixed up, Miyako's was the more solid one. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:02, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete looks like a person only known for one thing; being really old. It's a soft news story, the "and finally tonight, Jane Doe is 101 years young" human interest piece at the end of the local news. MarkAQuinn (talk) 18:20, 3 December 2018 (UTC) • MarkAQuinn (contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • That rationale is based on WP:IDONTLIKEIT and not a valid reason for deletion. Valoem talk contrib 10:26, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No: this rationale is based on WP:BIO1E, being notable for only one event. In this case the event is "reached an advanced age", which is perfectly recorded in our list of the verified oldest people. There is nothing else about this person's life that deserves an article. — JFG talk 13:38, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This has been discussed before. Plenty of sources to cover notability. Vivexdino (talk) 01:01, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Vivexdino Not sure if you are aware, but since the last AfD, Tajima was touted by the media as the worlds oldest person, but Guinness World Records, the authority on these pages on this issue, never named her as the worlds oldest person for a reason and the GRG lists her age claim as suspect. The following is a bit WP:CRYSTALBALL to say, but she appears to be another Kamato Hongo in the making. Quite old, but not as old as she claimed to be. We disagree on her notability, but all things considered, deletion makes more sense then standing by her likely falsely gained notability. Newshunter12 (talk) 02:01, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have not found reliable sources saying that she might not have been born in 1900. Here is a Guinness World Records source published in 2017 saying she was born 4 August 1900 and a second source explaining why she was never officially named the oldest person in the world:
  1. Glenday, Craig, ed. (2017). Guinness World Records 2018: Meet our Real-Life Superheroes. Guinness World Records. ISBN 978-1-912286-18-8. Retrieved 2018-12-05.

    The book notes:

    Oldest living people (as of 26 Apr 2017):

    ...

    2. Nabi Tajima (JPN) 4 Aug 1900, 116 years 265 days

  2. "Sad news as world's oldest woman misses out on Guiness World Record title". news.com.au. Associated Press. 2018-04-22. Archived from the original on 2018-12-05. Retrieved 2018-12-05.

    The article notes:

    Guinness World Records certified 112-year-old Masazo Nonaka of northern Japan as the world's oldest man earlier this month, and was planning to recognise Tajima as the world’s oldest person. She died before she was officially recognised by them.

Cunard (talk) 09:42, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Per Valoem. Julia Kinsley (talk) 21:11, 4 December 2018 (UTC) — Julia Kinsley (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Comment I've lost interest in these supercentenarian AFDs, but FWIW editors who came here because they received a notification from a mysterious IP should probably disclose that fact. Into the Rift (talk · contribs) was blocked for sockpuppetry shortly after this. I also wouldn't be surprised if it turns out there was off-wiki canvassing going on, given the presence of one or more brand new accounts on this page. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:51, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. There is absolutely nothing in the article (or the sources) that is of any encyclopedic interest, apart from birthdate/deathdate/place and some ranking. WP:NOPAGE applies, what little info is useful can very easily be accomodated in an appropriate list article. --Randykitty (talk) 14:19, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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