Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mutya Johanna Datul

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The result was keep. Spartaz ^Humbug! 12:34, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mutya Johanna Datul[edit]

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I am not sure about this one. While all the other Miss Supranational winners do not show sufficient notability, this one has rather more sources and info on her - although they are mostly in relation to the deleted article Miss Supranational. The pageant she did win, in the Philippines, is also a decider for other definitely notable pageants, so she might be notable by that standard (although it SEEMS that she only won the Miss Supranational bit of said pageant.) This one is definitely worth discussing. Mabalu (talk) 00:37, 1 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - Hmm, would significant or substantial mainstream coverage on the subject be good enough to warrant inclusion? If not, maybe a redirect to the 2013 pageant would suffice. Blake Gripling (talk) 03:46, 1 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but Miss Supranational has been deleted at AFD... so all its roots are now without a tree. Mabalu (talk) 08:56, 1 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. Ascii002Talk Contribs GuestBook 12:47, 1 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:57, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:51, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - There seems to be some consensus that Miss Supranational is not notable (at least for now). However, Datul did receive a fairly decent amount of coverage from local sources (which ironically could prove notability for the pageant). Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 15:09, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete strictly local coverage. Stuartyeates (talk) 10:12, 13 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In practice, if non-local sources would be required for establishing notability, about half to 3/4 of Wikipedia's articles could go down the drain. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 04:47, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I would point out that all the other Miss Supranational winners are now gone through AFD - Mutya is the sole woman standing. Her notability is now down to her having won one of the four titles in Binibining Pilipinas but you'll note from that page that not all the title holders have articles of their own, although they are listed and entabulated on that page very tidily. I think Mutya's success in this pageant PROBABLY weakly justifies this article but that's why I raised it for discussion here. Mabalu (talk) 23:40, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Lots of coverage on Philippine newspapers and magazines here suggesting she easily meets the WP:GNG.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 02:33, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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