Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muturi

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The result was keep. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:23, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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This is a weird one. There certainly was a Muturi PSC (a structure used in the Indonesian oil and gas industry), and there is a Muturi River, but apart from a dot on the map in the Nat. Geo. Family Reference Atlas, I can't find any evidence that this was ever a town, and the co-ordinates in the article are slightly offshore. PepperBeast (talk) 23:39, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. PepperBeast (talk) 23:39, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 02:32, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I found that the town of Muturi is actually a village in Teluk Bintuni Regency according to this news at KabarPapua.co without stating the relation with the Tangguh gas field. Because of this, I voted to keep the article, but one must add the status of Muturi as a village. —Jerome Willett 11:24, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Per above. Also here in local news [1] there are more mentions of Muturi village and also this one [2] is from Tempo Nyanardsan (talk) 11:33, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Seems to be an actual village as well as a site for oil and gas operations but I can only find a former settlement on GeoNames, I can't find the location on google maps.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:47, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Per above. WP:Preserve WP:Not paper. Is regularly listed as a port in a lot of seafaring triptiks. I also have a sense that our searches are being hampered by language problems; we are by and large English speakers, and I am not sure that google and google books are doing that good a job with Indonesian language sources. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:30, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I absolutely am struggling a little with Indonesian sources, but nonetheless, a look at Google Maps shows there is no village at the location stated, or at the recently amended co-ordinates. The best I could do is coordinates found on VYMaps.com, which probably muddies the waters further, since it does give a location, but raises the question of whether Muturi is actually an alternate name for all or part of East Bintuni. VYMaps is also blacklisted by Wikipedia, so there's that. Location suggested on Google Maps PepperBeast (talk) 14:45, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I dont know if these are acceptable proof but government databases definetly has mentions of Muturi as a village. [3] This one is online tender and auction webstie for Teluk Bintuni Regency government and it has mention of the village, [4] this one is from the same website and it mentions a government project which is a road built to connect the village of Muturi, [5] a database of schools from Ministry of Education which this one mentions a school in Muturi, [6] and this one also from Ministry of Education listin g nonprofit foundations located in Manimeri District (which presumably where the village is located) and has mentions of Muturi village too. Nyanardsan (talk) 15:01, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also there's an official government online map listing all village boundaries from Ministry of Village database here . Apologize but I could not check it since I have slow internet and the website loads like forever. Anyone can confirm the village's existance there? Nyanardsan (talk) 15:05, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Several sources indicate that this village exists. MrsSnoozyTurtle 07:25, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
maybe keep The persistent problem here is that this remains a synthesis of a bunch of sources which aren't coming together coherently. The PSC is no help, being 1,346 sq km in area. Lloyds shipping gives an equally vague location a little to the east, and there's nothing there either. The other map referred to immediately above shows a spot far inland; it's difficult to correlate that map with others due to the overlays. GNS gives a location far inland roughly congruent with the last, and calls it an abandoned populated place; just to the north of this is a pair of obviously man-made spaces, which GMaps calls "Koranoe". I have no idea what GNS's authority for calling it abandoned is or where the GMaps name comes from. It seems to me that to keep this, we need something else which helps sort these out: it seems to me that the shore locations fail verification, but we something which ties the other mentions and info with the inland location. Mangoe (talk) 05:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This is basically my objection. I'm reasonably happy that a small village called Muturi exists or existed in Bintuni Regency, but I don't see that we have any basis for this article-- not even a location. And I've hunted repeatedly for a location. I just don't see how it passes WP:V. PepperBeast (talk) 12:37, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As per various sources it is pointing towards the fact that the village actually exists, but as mentioned above, it cannot be located on Google map. Foodie Soul (talk) 09:29, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Per above and various sources do point to the fact that the village exists.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:33, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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