Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Music of the Gran Turismo series

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 11:08, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Music of the Gran Turismo series[edit]

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Per the result of this RfD. I will be nominating this restored article for discussion on whether to delete or keep this page. Or maybe even merge to Gran Turismo (series). Note that I don't have any opinion on this article whatsoever. Pandakekok9 (talk) 08:43, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Pandakekok9 (talk) 08:43, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Pandakekok9 (talk) 08:43, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep No reason to delete is provided and so there is no case to answer. Please see WP:BEFORE. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:48, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Come on, don’t waste people time with bureaucracy like that. Take the briefest look at the article. It’s nothing but like 10 track lists. Not encyclopedic in the least. We’re not Discogs. Sergecross73 msg me 12:23, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment from RFD nominator: I did mention the gamecruft nature of the article being the reason it was originally redirected, and since the subject matter wasn't on the target I originally RFD'd it. FMecha (to talk|to see log) 09:54, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - As I mentioned above, it’s not even an “article”, it’s just like 10 large track lists strung together. The guidelines don’t even usually recommend including track lists in the articles themselves, let alone in a dedicated fashion like this, so it’s not even worth merging. Sergecross73 msg me 12:26, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - And let's talk about this, shall we? I will bring up some extremely valid issues here. First of all, this is literally just a soundtrack list. None of the sources establish the notability of the subject independent of Gran Turismo in any form, and even Gran Turismo (series) doesn't seem to value the music of the series enough to cover it at all. Unless there were a highly significant amount of coverage on just the music (and there isn't, I did my WP:BEFORE), anything about the music that does come up should be in the series main article, and even so there isn't coverage in reliable sources for that much at this point. Secondly, and even more worrisome, it's full of outright falsehoods. That Crush 40 would be listed here at all is outrageous given they're an in-house band for Sega, who has no connection to Gran Turismo at all. Thirdly, I'm quite convinced by the WP:GAMECRUFT arguments of the RfD. This would be best suited to a fan wiki, and only if they purged it with fire of all the inaccuracies first. Red Phoenix ^talk 12:29, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: 100% WP:GAMECRUFT content. OceanHok (talk) 13:49, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. Nothing but track listings sourced to sites that are just track listings which, per WP:NMUSIC are not valid for establishing notability. There are no reliable, secondary sources discussing the music of the series as an overall topic in any kind of depth, and as the vast majority of this information in not sourced at all, nothing should be merged or preserved. Rorshacma (talk) 16:07, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Something like this with little context belongs in Wikia, fails WP:LISTN._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 05:18, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Track listing after track listing after track listing after track listing. No actual information about composition, release, reception, etc. Game trivia, suited for a dedicated wikia. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 09:03, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Suggestion What if we renamed this article List of Songs in the Gran Turismo series or something alike? That could fix some of the issues above (of it being non-encyclopedic) b/c it would make it a list.

How would that help? The name isn't the issue, it's the large amount of WP:CATALOG information. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 15:16, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - There's nothing that makes the music itself independent from the series in a way that allows it to have its own article (I mean hell, not even Gran Turismo (series) talks about its soundtrack). This is just a catalog of songs that is of no use to anybody outside of hardcore fans. Namcokid 47 ^(Contribs) 17:14, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
QUESTION https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-supervisors-guild-unveils-film-680092 apparently there are awards for the best music in a game series, and it was nominated. How many of the games had their music nominated for a notable reward or had their music mentioned in a game review? Dream Focus 17:53, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Then that's a bit for either Gran Turismo (series) or the specific game that was nominated. It's not proof of notability for the music of the series to stand alone. Red Phoenix ^talk 18:04, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- This only talks about the music in Gran Turismo 6, not the entire series. That's something that can easily be added into the GT6 article instead of dedicating an entire new article to it. Namcokid 47 ^(Contribs) 18:04, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.