Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Music industry of North America

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The result was Draftify. Black Kite (talk) 23:47, 9 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Music industry of North America[edit]

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I don't quite know what to do about this one. The article has the bones of a usable text, with apposite facts linked to sensible references. Inconveniently, that structure is buried under an avalanche of frankly cringeworthy prose, wild assertions, commonplaces and screwy grammar. It requires a complete rewrite. If someone believes they can deliver that, be my guest, but I think it basically needs to be nuked and restarted. Elmidae (talk · contribs) 02:58, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 07:04, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 07:04, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think ‘Music industry of the United States’ and ‘Music industry of Canada’ would both be valid topics, but I’m not sure that ‘Music industry of North America’ is. If the article is about the industry I’d expect it to focus mainly on studio production, distribution and corporate matters, but this article mixes up the music business with material on styles and genres as well as individual artists. If the current article was split in two and stripped right down we’d have two decent short articles, each something like Music industry of East Asia. Mccapra (talk) 07:42, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, as this article was created by a student studying OLES2129 (hi Hannahanaaaa), would it okay to draftify this so that they can work on it over the rest of the semester and the wikieditor that are looking after these students can assist? Coolabahapple (talk) 03:14, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No objections - if a usable article comes out of it, all the better. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:09, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Some useful proposals, let's give it some more time.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tone 18:31, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify I agree that this article has some useful content in it, but in it's current state its better suited as a draft. TheAwesome Hwyh 19:48, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. TheAwesome Hwyh 19:50, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The countries of USA/Canada are very influential to each other when it comes to culture/commerce or at very least the USA has a big influence given the size of its population. And with the new upcoming trade agreement the countries will be even more tied together. They both speak the same language with the exception of Quebec. Wikipedia's article called Culture of Canada says "The population has also been influenced by American culture because of a shared language, proximity, television and migration between the two countries". Maybe the creator of the article knows if the big corporate music transational companies in the USA sell a lot or a ton of their music in Canada. And the web is used extensively in the music industry via Facebook/YouTube so Canadians/Americans are seeing a lot of the same material. And if you ever look at the Google Canada and Google USA search results, they are extremely similar. In addition, both countries have seen a big influx of immigrants so there is that in common. One of the big differences though is that USA has much more of a Hispanic influence on its music due to its large and growing Hispanic population (Obviously, the USA has a lot more illegal/legal immigrants from Central/South America).Knox490 (talk) 04:30, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Keep in mind that the question as far as I can tell is not one of notability, but rather it is whether or not we should draftify this article per WP:TNT. TheAwesome Hwyh 04:43, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify for a split. Being influenced by another country is not a reason for combining into one article. By this logic, United States and Canada should be merged. The Canadian music industry has its own awards (Junos vs Grammys), charts, etc., etc. Clarityfiend (talk) 18:45, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - although it could be split into two articles for USA and Canada - North America includes Mexico and the Central American countires, so to be inclusive those countries should be included in an article on "Music industry of North America" - we have other articles covering large geographic areas, such as Music industry of Asia and Music industry of East Asia; as well as a general article on Music industry - oddly, there are no articles on music industry by country; for example, Music industry in the Republic of Ireland redirects to Music of Ireland and Music Industry in Pakistan redirects to Music of Pakistan; so it may be appropriate to move the article to Music Industry of the United States as the US music industry is a significant industry and deserves its own article, and merge the Canadian material into Music of Canada - Epinoia (talk) 04:44, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. There is material in here that can be used in one of two new articles. The idea that the existing article should be expanded to include other countries makes no sense to me. There simply is no music industry ‘of’ North America and a proposed extension would only be valid under a title like ‘Music industry in North America.’ If we’re going for that we should ensure we have a section on the music industry in Greenland too. Mccapra (talk) 05:05, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.