Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murder of Eve Carson (2nd nomination)

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The result was KEEP. postdlf (talk) 03:13, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Murder of Eve Carson[edit]

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Delete. Very pretty and very talented girl who got a lot of media attention at the time during a slow news period. Clearly comes under WP:VICTIM. Would not be notable if she had not been murdered. Such a shame, but not really notable. Student7 (talk) 18:02, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - You are actually contradicting your own AFD. "got alot of media attention" that is reason enough for me to say Keep. Well she was murdered and that is why she is notable her case recieved alot of attention from the media, her murder was also connected to another very notable murder. There is also the Eve Carson Scholarship, and her mention on American Idol which was broadcasted troughout America at that time. So article survives WP:NOTNEWS.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:29, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Not really. That is what WP:VICTIM is about. Lots of media attention but for essentially being a victim. Period. Not notableStudent7 (talk) 21:33, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This an article about the crime and its aftermath, so the appropriate place to look for notability guidelines is WP:Notability (criminal acts) not WP:VICTIM. It meets the criminal act notability guideline as it received significant national media attention from a host of reliable sources. Also, the aftermath is ongoing as one of the defendants' cases has yet to be resolved. I'm not sure why this is up for AfD a second time. Nothing has changed since the first decision to keep Ncjon (talk) 19:03, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This is not about reliable sources. It happened. It is about someone who would have been unknown otherwise. Unlike (for example), the Lindbergh baby who was the son of a prominent hero. This is nothing like that at all. Not every victim that gets publicity is really notable. Has to be a slow news day, for one thing. Student7 (talk) 21:33, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. You are arguing that the victim of the crime is not notable in her own right. Perhaps that is the case. But that's not the decision in front of us. This article is about the crime. The question is does this crime meet the notability guidelines. This crime has received extensive, ongoing news coverage for nearly three years, therefore the crime meets the notability guideline. Ncjon (talk) 19:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment/Keep She was notable outside of the murder, at least on a local level, as she was the student body president of a major university. In the initial AfD this came up, as there was another similar case, the murder of Lauren Burk. While she was a college student at another university and was killed under similar circumstances, she was not a notable person out of her death.Eauhomme (talk) 04:24, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The Lauren Burk/Eve Carson similarity came out in the WP:Articles for deletion/Lauren Burk discussion. Eauhomme (talk) 04:28, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Nothing has changed since the two last AFDs to justify a deletion. Status quo remains.--VictoriousGastain (talk) 19:34, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. My nomination is a coincidence. Discovered it only after I nominated it. It's pretty obvious folks. It probably won't be the last. It was not connected to the first one in any way. Student7 (talk) 21:33, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - References demonstrate continued media coverage from 2008-2010 (at least) Jebus989^✰ 19:58, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. —BabbaQ (talk) 21:33, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- looks like its received coverage long after the event, which is an indication that there's some lasting notability there. And since its an article about the incident, not the victim or the murderer, it doesn't run afoul of BLP1E. Umbralcorax (talk) 22:11, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Notable event. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 08:03, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Coverage of this event goes beyond news sources into books, such as [1] and [2]. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Snowball keep, again. The event has received significant coverage in independent, reliable sources; passes various subsections of WP:EVENT. Location (talk) 02:39, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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