Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mullingar Park Hotel

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:16, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mullingar Park Hotel[edit]

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With regret, as this is a fairly nicely-made article, I just do not see any evidence of notability, i.e. fails WP:GNG. It's just another hotel, in a country with hundreds. And there was a tragic event but with respect, that's not a reason for inclusion (nor the welder case). The lede and body need to show why this hotel is special enough to appear (in all of Ireland, I'd say that's true of maybe 10-12 hotels). Normally, I'd say this would at most be an item in a list in the Mullingar article. SeoR (talk) 23:06, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To avoid any confusion or unnecessary debate, I also see no evidence of meeting WP:NORG, WP:BUILDING, or any other article threshold. In general, individual small to medium businesses at most rate a mention in a local article, or in a list not subject to article-required rules. SeoR (talk) 23:15, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have stayed in Irish hotels. I am not expert on hotel notability. But "10-12 hotels" in all of Ireland! This is very tiny. There is Dublin (Gresham, Shelbourne, Clarence, Burlington, Merrion, Royal Hibernian, Berkeley Court, Wynn's Hotel, Dublin). I learn here James Joyce knew about Greville Arms Hotel in Mullingar. There is Kerry. There is other cities not in Dublin. I think 10-12 hotels a mistake? Hagesen 22:02, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a little off-topic but relevant to the principle in nominating this - to my mind, it takes a lot to make a hotel notable. I'm not even convinced about at least 2 of the current Dublin ones, and I'd say they're are a few in Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Galway, etc. - but this includes ones where the building is notable, and the hotel aspect incidental. Maybe the casual 10-12 is too low, but I seriously doubt the number reaches even middle double digits, however broad the criteria, and there are over 1,500 hotels licenced in Ireland, and almost 150 in Northern Ireland, so it's a low percentage, and that's fine. Others, if large, active or slightly notable, can be mentioned in their locality's article. And I do believe that this particular hotel simply does not make the cut. SeoR (talk) 23:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh. I thought they all had notability. But at least 2 of the Dublin ones are not! Is it Shelbourne? Or Clarence? --Hagesen 03:30, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. SeoR (talk) 23:06, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 23:18, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 23:19, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Travel and tourism-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 23:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: as a non-notable regular hotel, not even 30 yrs old yet, I can't see it being architecturally notable. Rest is routine business activities/descriptions Oaktree b (talk) 23:54, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per nom it doesn't appear that the subject meets any applicable criteria. In terms of the hotel building, and per WP:NBUILDING/WP:GEOFEAT, it is relatively modern and doesn't have "protected status on a national level". In terms of the holding(?) company, it is like any other and we seem reliant on the same directory style entries we'd have for any of the 350,000 registered companies in Ireland. In terms of the hotel business (its history, development and operations) that we are reliant on hyper-local "small ad" style planning approval notices, snippets and factual court reports on its licence/etc suggests that we are some way from SIGCOV. The only coverage not (purely) from local newspapers published in the same town, are the coverage of the (awful) news about the deaths which occurred during the hotel's construction. This coverage doesn't materially contribute to the notability of the business however. Can't see the case for keeping. And I do not think that a redirect (to Mullingar or List of hotels in Ireland) would be appropriate as an AtD... Guliolopez (talk) 15:47, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Better yet if you could create an article List of hotels in Ireland. Cheers! Chanaka L (talk) 07:56, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I am not trying to blow my own trumpet here. But kindly have a look at List of hotels in Sri Lanka, to get an idea. Chanaka L (talk) 12:15, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

"Why do we need this article at all?" Answer is someone on User talk:Stardomax - from WikiProject Sri Lanka? --Hagesen 21:59, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of hotels in Ireland is possible in this case?

Nominator SeoR writes "this is a fairly nicely-made article" and "an item in a list" is possible. Two days pass. It is written "I do not think that a redirect would be appropriate" - but that is all? Appropriate? What? I cannot find the Wikipedia:Appropriate guideline.

I hope the person who made the page can make List of hotels in Ireland better – later (yesterday I did some work to make a better target for now).

But he/she/they stopped work - because of all this? I do not know for sure. They have no edits after 2 January. When this page opened. Do they know what is happening?

They say they "have a great passion for helping others, and creating articles for others to learn" (user page) – so they make a page. A different page. Someone questions on their talk page. Then another page (this one) is nominated instead. One hour later.

It must be like they are under attack from everywhere - here, talk pages, edit summarys. Awful. I think this is lots for one person. Too much. It is their fault too they make a list that a person from Sri Lanka WikiProject asked to make? See above.

Maybe it is an accident. Maybe mistakes made by everyone. But if they feel miserable and cannot work right now? I think they can have 1 chance to work and make Wikipedia better - they cannot fix 1-2-3 problems at once?

Assume good faith is gone? Sad...

Redirect is fair result for everyone I think? Hagesen 22:22, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.