Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Morehouse College Mock Trial

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. alphaChimp^(talk) 14:33, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Morehouse College Mock Trial

Despite the boldfaced notability claims in the article, I don't think we have any articles on mock trial teams. Like marching bands, they mean a lot to the people in them but that doesn't make them WP-worthy Daniel Case 04:38, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Response

I fail to see how they are not WP-worthy just because a person does not participate in them. The purpose of Wikipedia (in my opinion) is to spread information and educate people on a wide variety of issues. Just because something may "mean a lot to the people in them" does not justify why it can not be shared with people who "are not in them". I feel that Mr. Case's rational smacks of Exclusiveness and basically forces contents on Wikipedia to be "only things that people are apart of". If we are to follow Mr. Case's logic, then there should be no Wikipedia articles on any athletic teams, professional or collegiate since the majority of fans and viewers "are not apart of them".

What does Mr. Case mean by, "they mean a lot to people in them"? Does he simply mean the actual students who compete in them? Or does he mean the countless professionals in the legal community who volunteer to coordinate and regulate the competitions held on campuses all across the country? Or does he simply mean the hundreds, if not thousands of students who have participated in the competitions in prior years, but still wish to remain informed about other teams in the competition? I would ask that Mr. Case not be so broad and vague in his assumptions regarding who will and will not have an interest in this information.

Mr. Case is right in his assumption that there aren't any articles on mock trial teams on wikipedia. Considering that it is one of the most competitive collegiate activity with 600 teams, I feel that more schools should provide information about their Mock Trial programs so that others can learn about the educational and academic competition.— Preceding unsigned comment added by TruOne (talk • contribs)

Your opinion means nothing as far as what the purpose of Wikipedia is. We are an online encyclopedia. Nothing more, nothing less. We have guidelines concerning what is, and isn't, notable enough to be included here. When I said that we don't have any other articles on individual mock trial teams, I mean that it does not appear that any other articles about mock trial teams have been written or survived a deletion vote. I mean that we have been working on criteria for what makes an organization notable under which most mock trial teams would not be included.

TruOne points to the amount of time that people spend putting these things together. That doesn't justify inclusion by our criteria. People spend similar amounts of time organizing Little League teams and games ... I'm sure you would agree we can't and shouldn't have an article on every single Little League team, ever.

Wikipedia is not about whether people would be interested in reading about it or not ... we don't sell ads here, we don't care how many people read or don't read a particular article. I don't deny that mock trial programs are important and educational. But if colleges and universities want others to "learn about the educational and academic competition", they can easily do it on their own wesbites. Daniel Case 05:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - This is a college organization; it should be mentioned in the Morehouse College article, or in an article on student organizations at MC. If we don't have an article on mock trials at the college level, we should definitely get one written. --Brianyoumans 05:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or if possible Merge with Morehouse article. NeoFreak 06:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nominator, although a sentence or two in the school's article would be acceptable too. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 07:17, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge - I would recommend merging with article with the Morehouse College article as well, however, it was recommended on the Morehouse College article that this organization be given its own article. If the information on this article could be merged onto the Morehouse page and all of the factual information and awards appear as well, then I would have no problem with that proposal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TruOne (talk • contribs)
• Delete - the information should be in the college's article. BTLizard 10:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and merge the essential idea to the main article. feydey 11:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, preserving important information in more general articles as suggested above. — Haeleth Talk 12:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Student society, not sufficiently independent and notable for own article per WP:ORG. Content may be merged per above if appropriate. Ohconfucius 09:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.