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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Editors have raised concerns about content in the article, but nothing that has reached a broad opinion to delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:14, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Molly DeWolf Swenson[edit]

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No indication of notability. Coverage is either not independent, not reliable, not detailed (with some sources not mentioning Swenson at all), or local news. The tone is promotional, and I'm pretty sure there are errors of fact (that happen to promote Swenson) in there, too. Huon (talk) 21:24, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete per Huon. This is a promotional article that is excluded from Wikipedia by WP:NOTSPAM. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:22, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Important notes from Huon. Making changes to add to overall notability (i.e. Forbes 30 Under 30, RYOT sale for $10-15M), to make language more objective, and to remove sources that do not mention Swenson (some seem to be referencing other entities in the entry rather than her involvement) or that are from unreliable sources (i.e. blogs). Susa8710 (talk) 23:12, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I just checked the sources added by Susa8710. I don't think they suffice to establish notability; most are more passing mentions. Huon (talk) 10:52, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Susa8710. Didn’t see previous entry but this is all totally notable. Sources include New Yorker, multiple features in Variety, Tech Crunch, Forbes, Entrepreneur Magazine, etc. Won Emmy per IMDb. She was also on primetime TV for American Idol. No reason to delete this entry. Also just found another feature in AdWeek about her, more than a passing mention. Will add to entry.Frogman237 (talk) 15:28, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Contrary to what Tony believes, I don't think that this article is spam. It doesn't have the characteristics of a spam article and provides adequate claims to notability (company sold to corporation, etc.). After cleaning, promotional language has been cut down by editors and can most likely be cleaned more. A simple Google search of the subject yields articles she was the subject of in sources like AdWeek Magazine [1] and on HuffPost [2] as well as a Yahoo News article about her [3] (her face is plastered on the headline of this one). I feel that the subject was not posted in any form of "spam" attempt and the evidence presented from basic research definitely proves notability. WillPeppers (talk) 04:04, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.adweek.com/contributor/molly-dewolf-swenson/
  2. ^ https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/showing-up-technology-vs-presence-in-the-age-of-protest_us_58866e6de4b0111ea60b9918
  3. ^ https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/live-nation-maverick-taps-ryot-192639461.html/
  • Keep It is difficult to understand the rationale for deletion, stating that there is "no indication of notability" - a simple news search unearths dozens of reliable sources including AdWeek, the New Yorker, Variety, Forbes, Entrepreneur Magazine, and the list goes on. BTW, she is an Emmy award winner as per IMDb. The nomination was made without appropriate research. Netherzone (talk) 05:17, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - the AdWeek and HuffPo sources listed by WillPeppers are by Swenson, not independent coverage of her. Yahoo is a copy of reference 14 already listed in the article, not anything new. Also, the Emmy is... dubious. Swenson was a "coordinating producer" (one of two, apparently, along with a host of other producers and executive producers) of a documentary that apparently won a Documentary Emmy. I couldn't verify that Swenson herself won anything. Huon (talk) 00:45, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Some of the sources presented herein have been disputed in terms of their independence of the subject. More input needed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 09:12, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Whether this article is kept or not, at the very least the "Emmy Winning Producer" claim should be edited out. Producer credits are handed out like candy by production companies. There is no such thing as an Emmy for Coordinating Producers. Emmy recognition is given to Producers and Executive producers. A winning production, for a fee, can after the fact purchase additional awards for select members of the crew at their discretion, but it is not the same as being recognized by the Emmy organization. Nor can entries to IMDB be considered a reliable source. To present oneself in such case as an Emmy Winner Producer is little more than self-promoting resume padding. ShelbyMarion (talk) 11:36, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment For ShelbyMarion and Huon: Here is the official list of Emmy nominees for 2017 that includes Swenson [1] under credits for Body Team 12 (along with only a handful of people listed, including Paul G Allen and Olivia Wilde, not handed out "like candy," at least not in this case), and a photo of her Emmy with her name and Coordinating Producer credit on it. [2] It is true that you can request additional statues after the fact but they do not come with the name and credit engraved onto it unless the producer was originally nominated. Coordinating Producer is in fact an Emmy-eligible credit, per Emmy rules [3] Susa8710 (talk) 00:04, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://emmyonline.com/download/news_38th_nominations_Final.pdf
  2. ^ https://www.instagram.com/p/Bc5ubW8BOlB/
  3. ^ https://daytimeemmys.dmds.com/Content/documents/GeneralRulesandProcedures.pdf
  • Keep She has coverage in reliable secondary sources (not passing mentions) in Harvard Magazine, Yahoo, Variety, AdWeek (the one in the article, not the non indepedent one that was posted here), while having a mention in Forbes in 2017 30 Under 30. Even if I discount Entrepreteur (which is a significant coverage) for being a trivial source, and non WP:SIGCOV sources like The New Yorker, CMO and lots of American Idol related references that are all passing mentions...she still passes WP:GNG easily. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 11:57, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment For ShelbyMarion and Huon Molly's move to Maverick to represent artists and support their impact and sustainability initiatives was also the subject of significant media coverage by recognized and reputed news outlets, further lending to the page's notability and her personal credibility. https://variety.com/2018/music/news/maverick-molly-dewolf-swenson-ryot-live-nation-1202728991/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexisPeng (talk • contribs) 00:09, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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