Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mohiuddin Ahmed

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 02:45, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mohiuddin Ahmed[edit]

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The sources cited are his obituary, a similar short piece on an anniversary of his death, and a couple duplicative passing mentions. There is also a book, but no indication that it covers him. It is used only to support the name change of a student group.

From these sources we learn that he was acting president of a student political group. On its own, that is not enough to pass WP:POLITICIAN. We also learn that he was arrested for actively participating in the 1952 Language Movement, took part in the 1962 education movement, and fought for Bangladesh's independence during the Liberation War of 1971. Participating in those events would not be unusual for someone of his age at the time. There is very little detail about the form of his participation, other than that in one case he was at the forefront of a procession.

Mohiuddin Ahmed is a common name, which complicates searches. Several were active in the 1960s and 1970s, among them politicians, diplomats, military officers, and others, but I found nothing to connect them to this student leader. The article asserts that he joined the National Awami Party (NAP), but cites no source. If a source could be produced to show that this Mohiuddin Ahmed was important in a registered political party, I might be persuaded to change my recommendation.

I'm sympathetic to the fact that the peak of his career was in the pre-internet age, but there are enough newspaper databases and books online that I could find information about other Mohiuddin Ahmeds of the period, and about people who were definitely leading figures, but nothing about him until after his death, and nothing more than what the article cites. Searching by his "popularly known as" Bengali name returned no reliable sources. Does not meet WP:BASIC. --Worldbruce (talk) 05:00, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Worldbruce (talk) 05:02, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Worldbruce (talk) 05:03, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. Worldbruce (talk) 05:03, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak keep~~Weak delete - the best I can do is say that Muhith 2008 says that a Mohiuddin Ahmed who was a leftist student leader went on a hungers trike with Sheikh Mujib (a founding father of Bangladesh) while in jail in 1952, and the two became friends. I don't think it is a leap to say this is the same Mohiuddin as the subject of this article. The connection to Sheikh Mujib, I think, is evidence that this Mohiuddin is the same who is mentioned as a leader in the NAP in google books snippet results (see https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=bks&q=%28"Mohiuddin+Ahmad"+OR+"Mohiuddin+Ahmed"%29+"National+Awami+Party"). Coupled with the 12th anniversary of his death being memorialized (UNB story from 2012), I think this person makes a suitable inclusion in wikipedia. Smmurphy^(Talk) 19:52, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for your efforts. Do you have the book you cited, or were you working from Google's snippet view? Be cautious about connecting Mohiuddin Ahmeds. A Mohiuddin Ahmed from Mathbaria, an Awami League leader, joined Mujib in Pirojpur in 1956.[1] A Mohiuddin Ahmed, a member of Mujib's Awami League, was elected Member of Parliament in 1973 from constituency Pabna-5.[2] A Mohiuddin Ahmed was a minister in Mujib's government after Mujib dissolved all political parties and formed BAKSAL.[3] A Mohiuddin Ahmed, a Language Movement veteran and 1971 Liberation War organiser, died on 12 April 1997.[4] And because of the nature of politics at the time, being a leftist student leader is not a good disambiguator.
- Something to be aware of is that Joyshurjo, the creator of the Wikipedia article, also created articles about Mohiuddin 's wife (Raihan Akhter Banu Roni) and their son (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ziauddin Ahmed (Joy)). It's a good bet that Joyshurjo has a family connection, and would have known of and mentioned anything as significant as Mohiuddin being an intimate of Mujib's, a Member of Parliament, or a cabinet minister. --Worldbruce (talk) 22:15, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - I could have guessed, even if I hadn't noticed, that the creator of the page would likely have a personal connection with the subject of the page. I didn't notice just how many Mohiuddin Ahmed's there are, three in the list of members of Bangladesh's first parliament. Given that many Language Movement members were arrested and imprisoned at that time, and there are certainly a number of people with this name involved in Bangladeshi politics, I guess I can't be so sure that this Mohiuddin was the one whom Sheikh Mujib met in prison. I've removed that addition from the page and changed my !vote. Sometimes a page like this will be coupled with a facebook page or something like that that can have more information. A search of likely terms in English and Bengali (my Hindu is bad, my Bengali non-existant, but I can read a name with enough time/help) doesn't seem to find anything. Nor does using google's similar image search [5]). Also, I didn't remember, but now do note that the celebration of the 12th anniversary of an individual's death is somewhat special, I think, so that announcement may be more passing than it seems. I would, of course, consider changing my !vote again. Smmurphy^(Talk) 00:05, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 01:22, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 06:34, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Can't find in-depth sourcing to show that they pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:48, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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