Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mohamed Bouzoubaa (singer)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 20:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mohamed Bouzoubaa (singer)[edit]

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•Delete:Non-Notable Singer: There is only one sentence in this article, And only one source, Fails WP:N PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 22:59, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 22:59, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The sole cited source is the reporting on the death of the subject. Found no further coverage of the subject. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 23:10, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Morocco-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 23:39, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep News of his death was covered by numerous news outlet, all of them celebrating him as a key figure in the popularity of malhun. His death was noted by the ministry of culture (see [1]) and by the King of Morocco [2]. Note that it's hard for me to search for sources in Arabic, especially given the fact that there is a famous politician of the same name. Pichpich (talk) 16:59, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
First page you just listed is unable to translate to English & the second page is not a reliable source & does not contain enough info to prove notable, real life notabilities like being known or mentioned by royalty does not transfer to wikipedia notability. Fails WP:N PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 02:39, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The machine translation of ref 1 is "The artist, Hajj Muhammad Bouzoubaa, has passed away. We received with deep regret and with deep sorrow the news of the death of the artist, Hajj Muhammad Bouzoubaa, who answered the call of his Lord on Tuesday evening, January 20, 2015, at the age of 74 years. This is how the artistic scene bid farewell to one of the most prominent pioneers and memorizers of the salt, after suffering from illness for many years, especially since 2005. The deceased grew up in a family surrounded by music. Where he learned from his father the arts of Al-Amdah Al-Isawiya and Al-Malhoun. As seated since his youth veterans artists. His talents blossomed in various colors of music, oriental muwashshah performance arts, Andalusian music, melhoun, and others. Until he became one of the most prominent voices leading the poems of the salt. He was also a player on various percussion instruments. He worked in the most famous choirs in the city of Fez, and studied at the Dar Adil Institute for Traditional Music. Our artist has contributed to enriching the national musical and lyrical repertoire with more than 170 songs and poems. It also testifies to his praiseworthy role in preserving the art of salting and endearing it to successive generations. May God bless the deceased with his vast mercy and dwell him in his spacious gardens, and inspire us, his relatives, and his large and small families, beautiful patience and solace. And unto God and to Him we shall return." As for the second ref, if the official webpage of the King of Morocco is not a reliable source for official condolences given by the King of Morocco, I don't know what is. Pichpich (talk) 17:19, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is just praise for him & sorrow of his passing, it does not mention any specifics of his life, & therefore is not a reliable source. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 20:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He is notable within his music genre and multiple reliable sources have been brought up for improvement. 128.6.36.94 (talk) 21:10, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There have been no other sources found for him. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 15:35, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

•Comment- IP User 1.28.6.36.94 is Blocked For Disruptive Editing. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 15:37, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Small sentence about an irrelevant singer. Not enough sources, No photos or other info of the person.

LuxembourgBoy42 (talk) 02:37, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The refs provided do not satisfy WP:N. Edison (talk)
Keep as per the reliable sources coverage identified by Pitchpitch in this discussion which is significant coverage for WP:GNG in my view. The shortness of the article and lack of a photo are not relevant to notability, Atlantic306 (talk) 00:06, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Insufficient coverage to meet WP:NBIO. MrsSnoozyTurtle 00:44, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:04, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE- Not Notable, No notable sources. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 15:55, 15 May 2023 (UTC) struck second delete vote Atlantic306 (talk) 22:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I find an abundance of sources making clear that he was a notable national figure in Morocco, including 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. Mccapra (talk) 06:22, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Those sources do not show notability. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 15:55, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes they do, because they demonstrate that he was a nationally important figure. Mccapra (talk) 18:04, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per sources found above. Seacactus 13 (talk) 17:42, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Those sources don't count as they are not referenced in the article yet. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 18:30, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That is an invalid rationale. The fact that they exist means that they do show notability, the current state of the article is irrelevant. This is why WP:BEFORE must be done when nominating articles, which you have clearly neglected to do. Seacactus 13 (talk) 20:49, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~•DELETE-~~ #1 Does Not show notability in/of itself, #2 Does Not show Notability & is an Unreliable source, #3 is just a reporting of his death, #4 is also just a reporting of his death, #5 is also just a reporting of his death. None of This sources Show Notability. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 18:44, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You do realize that voting delete four times does not help the case right? Please do elaborate in depth as to why these sources do not establish notability. A report of one's death can show notability. Seacactus 13 (talk) 20:29, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

When I die, I'm pretty sure that established news organization won't care. I'm also pretty sure that the King of Morrocco won't send a release lamenting my death. Pichpich (talk) 21:20, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Many news stations mention & or talk about non-notable peoples deaths. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 19:34, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Come on now. I know you want to zap the article but that's just nonsense. "And in other important news to report today, a singer that nobody's ever heard about has died". Pichpich (talk) 15:53, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The #1,#2,#3,#4, and #5 refer to the sources that @Mccapra has listed in this discussion. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 19:33, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm referring to you putting delete by every statement, presumably trying to make a-it appear as if there are more delete votes. Seacactus 13 (talk) 00:57, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I only did that because I'm a little ocd and forgot the bullet point the first time. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 01:26, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

your dismissal of the sources I found are “unreliable” or “just about his death” is bullshit. On the contrary they establish that he as a highly regarded artist with a long and distinguished career and was regarded as the father of Malhoun. Just because you’ve decided an article should be deleted doesn’t mean you can wilfully blind yourself to sources showing otherwise. Mccapra (talk) 08:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and expand with the new sources found during this discussion. – bradv 20:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.