Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miz Cracker

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Ad Orientem (talk) 02:04, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Miz Cracker[edit]

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Non-notable outside of being a contestant on a reality show. --wooden superman 12:35, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 12:46, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 12:46, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 12:46, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 12:46, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per GNG. Also, nominating editor should know the page should be redirected, not deleted, if the subject is not independently notable. But I believe there's sufficient secondary coverage. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:56, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closing admin. I'm a little concerned by this edit. I know it's not exactly WP:CANVASSING, but notifying a small group of fans of the show could certainly lead to WP:VOTESTACKING and skew the discussion. --wooden superman 13:58, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Woodensuperman, I understand your concerns about canvassing, but simply posting links to AfD pages at a relevant WikiProject should not be problematic, especially when WikiProject RuPaul's Drag Race members have been perfectly willing to vote merge/redirect in past discussions (see example1 and example2). I think you should actually assume good faith and welcome editors most familiar with the subjects to participate in the ongoing discussions, thanks. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:49, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This person is notable. Period. Multiple TV appearances/web series, released music, almost 1 million Instagram followers. This afd is pointless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C5D:5880:38:493D:61A8:1FF0:E605 (talk) 17:51, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Strong coverage of her including RS that are not primarily about RPDR, like the Jerusalem Post and Forward citations in thhe article. Rab V (talk) 20:34, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, several pop culture references, the person is clearly notable. Ikjbagl (talk) 23:52, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Multiple sources from before her time on Drag Race, if that helps. Notable writer on top of being a drag queen. Bouncehoper (talk) 19:48, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There's coverage outside of her time on RPDR, including her writing (and winning the National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association's Excellence in Column Writing award), nomination of a People's Choice Awards, her webseries Review with a Jew and JewTorials, and participation in the song "Jappy". --Kbabej (talk) 01:25, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I contest this deletion on the grounds of the subject's extensive media experience (Allure, Cosmopolitan, Haaretz, People's Choice Award nomination)--NotALovelyLady (talk) 13:51, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Miz Cracker is clearly notable outside the realm of RuPaul's Drag Race, as the article clearly demonstrates. Strong coverage in the article citing many reliable sources. I see no reason for this article to be deleted. Yompi20 (talk) 15:56, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and redirect to RuPaul's Drag Race (season 10) per nom and failure to meet WP:NACTOR. While there are WP:RS, none of the good ones seem to treat the subject independently enough to establish notability for an independent article. Lots of them are trivial mentions. - GretLomborg (talk) 22:08, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The person passes 2/3 of the points in NACTOR, so she is notable. - 2600:6c5d:5880:38:493d:61a8:1ff0:e605
We'll have to disagree, then. Also are you User:Ratherbe2000, 2600:6c5d:5880:38:493d:61a8:1ff0:e605? - GretLomborg (talk) 23:18, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note to closing admin User:NotALovelyLady improperly removed the delete headers from the article [1], and has tried to mark this deletion discussion as itself deleted [2] [3]. - GretLomborg (talk) 22:18, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry User:GretLomborg. I read through the deletion policy, but I got very confused regarding the difference between deletion and speedy deletion. I thought that the lines "Anyone except a page's creator may contest the speedy deletion of a page by removing the deletion notice from the page" meant that I could delete the header. NotALovelyLady (talk) 10:14, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the keep !votes don't address the issue of notability outside of the show. Fails WP:NACTOR. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:48, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
They Literally do though. They mention her other writings and appearances, and she DOES pass NACTOR - 2600:6c5d:5880:38:493d:61a8:1ff0:e605

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 00:59, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Passes WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR which has clearly been established here in this discussion and in the article itself. Dusti ^{*Let's talk!*} 03:35, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Most of the "keep" !votes are WP:ILIKEIT or WP:ITSNOTABLE. More policy-based !votes are needed to close this as "keep" or even "no consensus", despite the numerical majority (WP:NOTAVOTE).
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 17:33, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, NONE of the keep votes imply ILIKEIT or ITSNOTABLE, they describe why their notable just as much as the delete votes, even greater than actually. - 2600:6C5D:5880:38:493D:61A8:1FF0:E605
Keep Adequately sourced to establish notability. XOR'easter (talk) 23:00, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.