Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mitch Thrower

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete, fails WP:BIO. — Nearly Headless Nick ^{C} 12:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Mitch Thrower

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Probably a non-notable person. Article makes lots of extraneous claims typical of notability padding (his mother used to carpool with Jackie O. and his dad invented the WPIX Yule log). I removed most of this stuff focusing on why he might be notable but this remains a BLP with no sources other than the guy's own blogs. Thatcher131 20:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

• Delete The closest thing to actual notability here are his minor appearences on a couple of reality shows, which isn't much. A large portions of the edits come from the subject himself, raising autobigraphical and conflict of interest concerns. Looking at the edit history and talk pages of all concerned (yes, including the alleged vandal, Rwilco201), it appears that the other primary editor is also associated closely with the subject. It is considered bad form to write about oneself here, or to have some do it for you. DarkAudit 21:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
• Weak keep as founder of a 20-year-old magazine and of active.com, a well-ranked fitness website, he should be sourceable. Needs cleanup & attribution. --Dhartung | Talk 21:20, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete – The website is notable; he is not. Has written one article for the San Diego Business Journal. — Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 22:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - is ok with user who the post is about! This is Mitch Thrower - you can confirm it by Googling me, then sending me an e-mail and I will respond to confirm. Or, if you are in fact a power wikiuser, you can call me anytime (my phone number is easily accessable on the web). It would be better for me if the page written about me on Wiki is deleted. For the record, User:Emilyashland had inside information. I did not approve of her posting the information to Wiki - but the stuff she put in her original post was in fact correct. If necessary, and the page is deleted, a great deal of it can be confirmed by official sources, Emily is accurate but way to personal, if the page is not deleted, it's up to the true wikipedians to sort out what from that should still be Wiki. Here is the Original Complete Article Post. How long will it take to delete my page, because I'd love it to get deleted prior to an upcoming role in a film later this year - because I'm not a fan of non-approved creation of a site about me, and what happens when the attacks come in. The page history dictates these challenges, because even after my brief appearance on the ABC TV show The Bacahelor, a user user:rwilco201 started to aggressively change the page and cite sites that did not meet wiki regulations. Regardless, the Wiki community has done a good job with the clean up. I defer to the collective wisdom of Wiki expert users judgment if they see fit to delete the page - or to remove as much as possible, then great! Also, it’s important to note, that for the record, the only edits I personally made to the page about me were to remove the slander and insult posts from vandal,(too many times) and to correct two dates. A sincere thank you to the Wiki community for getting involved to fix things.
  • To User Rwilco201: three very important things of note from Mitch Thrower: a) Wiki Administrator clearly stated in several locations that you have read and responded to previously. Here it is again so you don't have to click all the pages and posts that we created in this mess: "Celebrity tabloid-type web sites are not reliable sources, by the way." This quote is From administrator: User:Thatcher131 in case you want to challenge it. b) The original article/e-mail you are so passionate about has actually been removed the author, original article you keep citing. If you would like, I could arrange to have a copy framed for you.  ; ) c) see your talk page and the arbitration page for further detail and responses. So Mr. or Mrs. Rwilco201 - Let’s declare a truce, and both go back to learning the ways of Wikipedia, and then figuring out ways to make solid contribution that are made within the Wikipedia guidelines and established procedures, Sound good? - Mitch Thrower
  • Comment this AfD page is not the forum to continue whatever drama exists between you and Rwilco201. DarkAudit 01:51, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
• Weak Keep – Based on MitchThrower's connection to wikipedia entry "Andy Baldwin", and his attempts to self-promote on both entries. This is from the user, rwilco201, who started the whole request for arbitration for the article. I didn't have any connection to Mitch Thrower or "The Bachelor", but got involved with this based on Mitch's vociferous attacks on what i thought was a innocous edit. My take on it was that Mitch got caught sock-puppeting his own entry and Andy Baldwin's (see user:EmilyAshland's edit history). Based on his connection with the Andy Baldwin entry, this needs to be kept- otherwise the Andy Baldwin should be revised as well. BTW, could someone respond to me and tell me why the Cele|bitchy entry was not viable? It is a blog that's well known, and I thought I reported on it from a NPOV - including quotes from Thrower himself. I read the BLP guidelines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:BLP) - and it does say that one can include quotes from the person in question. My apologies if I'm missing something as a newcomer to the Wiki community. — rwilco201 (rwilco201 – 20:01, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Request for Correspondence – Keeping with DarkAudit's request to keep this AfD page clear, would someone (other than Mitch), please correspond with me about my concerns, either via my talk page or email? If I'm doing something wrong, would like to correct it. rwilco201 15:51, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Rwilco201 removed my !vote from this afd [1], which was delete based on a belief that a bio subject's support for deletion in an AfD should weigh significantly in favor of deleting the article. Rwilco201, please don't remove other people's entries. Let the closing admin figure out what to count and what not to count. Note: I didn't check the rest of the edit history enough to see if any other edits were changed or removed by other than their authors. 75.62.6.237 04:20, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Have not deleted Mitch's post. Mitch is making unsubstantiated claims, and has a history of this - please look at this history of this comment to prove this. Mitch's vote is above, and always has been. Sorry to clutter the AofD page with this nonsense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rwilco201 (talk • contribs) 17:08, 7 June 2007. [2]

• I think Rwilco201 is confusing me with Mitch Thrower, but I have nothing to do with Mitch Thrower and had never heard of him before noticing Rwilco201's arbitration request.[3] 75.62.6.237 07:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
• About this user: On user page, it mentions "This host, adsl-75-62-6-237.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net, is registered to SBC Internet Services / AT&T, an Internet service provider through which thousands of individual users may connect to the Internet via proxy or is reassigned to a different person when the current user disconnects.". It is also a San Diego based IP address, where Mitch Thrower is based. If it isn't the person in question, my apologies - however, all signs point to such.

• Delete When a barely if at all notable biographical article on a living person is written with input from that person, it strikes my ire. There is not enough here for the benefit of Wikiepdia. —Gaff ^ταλκ 20:45, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

• Comment User:Rwilco201 is now a copy of this page, which seems in opposition toWikipedia:User_page#Copies_of_other_pages. I have notified the user. If it is not removed, it may need nom to MFD. —Gaff ^ταλκ 21:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
• Comment User:Rwilco201 page was created in a response to Mitch Thrower's responses on my talk page - it's cited on my talk page as well. FYI, I understand your ire, but one note of correction - the biographical article was written by the user himself (MitchThrower) under a sock puppet account (EmilyAshland). If you are a power user, you can use the CheckUser tool to verify my claim. —rwilco201 ^{[User_talk:rwilco201: rwilco201]]} 21:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.