Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mister Sister (film)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Black Kite (talk) 08:34, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mister Sister (film)[edit]

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Non-notable film, film has not received significant coverage by independent, reliable sources. Social media posts, primary sources, and passing mentions do not constitute WP:SIGCOV, does not meet WP:NF BOVINEBOY2008 21:42, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:12, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I did find one reliable review, but that isn't enough. SL93 (talk) 01:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to keep: Per new sourcing. SL93 (talk) 14:27, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Incubate or delete. I think that this has the potential to gain more coverage once it releases outside the film festival circuit, but the notability isn't really there just yet. If anyone wants to incubate this, go for it. I don't mind keeping it in my sandbox, but I don't get on nearly as much as I used to due to work and a broken home computer so I may not be able to keep up with it as much. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 19:08, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are 38 press coverages at https://www.mistersisternyc.com/press including one of the most important Hollywood film trade publications Deadline Hollywood. Also not sure why the movie poster was removed which was owned by the submitter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theskeletone (talk • contribs) 21:44, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if you read those sources. The Deadline article only says, "The closing-night film is Mars Roberge’s Mister Sister, set inside the underground world of New York City drag and including a performance by the late LGBTQI musical icon Ari Gold, who died in February." I highly doubt that the uploader owns the film poster, and proof would be needed anyway. SL93 (talk) 03:12, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I now see that you added sources to the article including the Deadline source. Websites such as Medium, The WOW Report, OriginalRock are unreliable sources. I'm not sure if BroadwayWorld is reliable because readers can submit news. SL93 (talk) 03:25, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As the poster submitter, I can verify that I own the rights via a legal artist release contract. Just let me know where to email it and I will do that. As for Broadway World and WOW Report being an unreliable source, Broadway World is the largest publication in the entire world with several branches regarding coverage of theatrical events such as Broadway Plays. Whereas WOW Report is one of the largest LGBTQ entertainment sources in the world and is created by World of Wonder who produce and distribute Ru Paul's Drag Race, the most popular LGBTQ show on television. OriginalRock.net is an online branch of Vive Le Rock which is one of the largest music magazines in Europe. I'm not sure where you are getting your information on or being the overall judge for what goes on here as legitimate sources. I can pull up readership and journalists from all the aforementioned sources I listed. Let me know what else you require.Theskeletone 04:53, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 🌀Locomotive207-talk🌀 02:36, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 08:06, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. The sourcing here is not adequate to establish notability. As for Locomotive's question, Wikipedia has rules about what is or isn't a reliable source, and articles are required to follow those rules rather than making up their own. The overwhelming majority of the footnotes here are primary sources that are not support for notability — for example, the notability of a film cannot be referenced to YouTube videos, social networking content on Twitter or Instagram, corporate blogs, user-generated "anybody can publish content about any topic of their choice" platforms like Medium.com, the studio's own self-published press releases, or the self-published websites of the film festivals it was screened at.
Broadway World can be a useful source sometimes, but it's problematic and has to be looked at carefully -- in this case, of the two Broadway World cites, one just briefly namechecks the film's existence in an article that isn't about the film in any non-trivial sense, while the other betrays its provenance as a press release from the studio because if you look carefully, it's worded precisely identically to the TheBuzzMag.ca hit even though they appear to have different "author" bylines on them. So no, those aren't helping at all: one isn't about the film, and the other is a press release from the film's own studio.
Which means the only acceptable sources here at all are the two Deadline hits (#4 and #12) and Film Threat (#23) — but the two Deadline hits are also both brief glancing namechecks of the film's existence in articles that aren't about the film, which means they're not doing very much either, and while Film Threat is getting somewhere as it's actually a real review of the film, a film still needs more than just one of those to clear the bar.
And even when it comes to the awards, NFILM is not just agnostically open to just any award that exists, sourced solely to the award's own website about itself — notability because awards only accrues to a certain narrow tier of high profile awards, like Oscars, BAFTAs, Césars, Canadian Screen Awards or internationally famous film festivals on the Cannes-Berlin-Toronto-Sundance tier, which are sourceable to media coverage that reports those awards as news.
It's certainly possible that the film might clear the notability bar in the future — but based on the content and sourcing present right now, it has not cleared the bar yet as of today. Bearcat (talk) 03:40, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- The fact that the same article appears on two different websites doesn't necessarily mean it's a press release; it could be wire news or a syndicated story. Mlb96 (talk) 04:18, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Not if the publications re-byline it to one of their own staff instead of properly crediting a wire service journalist, it ain't. Bearcat (talk) 18:25, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 11:09, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, per new sourcing that has been added to the article. Davidgoodheart (talk) 03:53, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.