Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mister Dave's

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Wizardman 04:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mister Dave's[edit]

It seems like this should be sourceable, but Google doesn't give any links besides directories. Can any locals help with adding history and removed promo language? I'd love to remove this delete vote. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 13:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As the person who originally nominated this for deletion I agree with you. I did some Web research and this business branched out into a frozen food businesss after the actual article business closed but it is a bit weak. I can appreciate that it is probably a well known eatery in the area but if there are no references then if flounders a bit. An example where this works is Sir_Henry's in Cork where I am from. The business is gone but there is enough references that it stil stands as an OK article.--BustOut (talk) 13:41, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I realise there aren't many references to Mister Daves, that is part of the reason why I wnted to create this wiki.... but I have had a google about and found a few, but I'm not sure how to reference them into my article... can you advise me at all...

The links are :

http://www.ecademy.com/module.php?mod=club&t=583941
http://brittany.angloinfo.com/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=42615
http://www.therevcounter.com/general-mayhem/4805-mr-daves-balti.html
http://www.beerhunter.com/documents/19133-000048.html

any advice welcomed on how to source these links or the info would be gratefully recieved Andipeeuk (talk) 14:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the forum links aren't considered WP:reliable sources, I can't open the RevCounter, and the Beerhunter link only mentions it in passing. I'm sure the sourcing is out there -- can you search local newspapers for info? Sources don't have to be on the net, they just have to be accessible somehow.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no reliable sources (web forums and blogs are NOT reliable sources) Mayalld (talk) 14:20, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you do a google for... lye and "mr daves" or "mister daves" or "mr Dave's" you get many links to lots of people asking whatever happened to.... or is it still going... ok so there would appear to be no commercial links apart from the one to their current business but this is surely the point of a wikipedia page ??? so is me writing neutrally about my experience of mister daves not sufficient ???? if not then forget it... delete it! who cares ?!? Andipeeuk (talk) 14:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, no, just like I couldn't write about my experiences at Angelo's Civita Farnese or Dixie's BBQ. Save this article if you can -- it's a great feeling. :-)--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ok final attempt to placate, then you can delete it and stick what remains wherever you like :

Not a forum referring to Mister daves ... :::http://www.birminghamplus.com/reviews/reviews_details.asp?rid=2735&iid=2107&uid=7

Ahaaaa, and a newspaper mentioning it too !! :::http://archive.stourbridgenews.co.uk/2002/8/8/34402.html

http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/restaurants-cafes-national/restaurants-in-west-midlands-in-general/

And another http://archive.halesowennews.co.uk/2003/6/5/24793.html

Are these links official enough for you ?????

Will you let me go free now please ??? Andipeeuk (talk) 14:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Review sites where anybody can submit a review about anything are effectively the same as web forums, and letters pages from local newspapers are not reliable sources. Mayalld (talk) 15:00, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed, but there _is_ one usable link in that - halesownnews cites it as the first Balti house in Lye. Now, if that fits into the article...--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Commentwell I can't help but notice you have an atricle on Noahs ark on wiki.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noahs_Ark I can't imagine there are many sources that can prove that existed either as is god.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God can't really site many non-opinion references to prove that he exists or ever has done... my point being. If I am trying to create a wikipedia page of a shop that existed a quarter of a century ago, I would have hoped there would be some flexibility as to how much info I can source that references it, considering the internet barely existed before it closed down. Andipeeuk (talk) 15:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I told you before, it doesn't have to be a source on the net. There are these buildings I've heard about that are known as "libraries" -- rumor has it that they were useful for research once upon a time...--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

but then how do I prove that I have anything then.... I could just say.. yes I went down my library and found a book that said mister daves was once a curry house... would that be sifficient for you ? sorry not wishing to seem narky .. just dont understand how some information that is not availabloe online can be sufficient evidence to prevent my online article about an old curry house from being deleted. Andipeeuk (talk) 15:16, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Great Fire of 1911 -- much of it was sourced from an book I found in the Bangor library.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Unfortunately, WP:EFFORT is not a reason to keep an article. Even if you can find old newspapers or whatever you're looking through, that doesn't mean notability will be established. As it is, the article doesn't have any relevance whatsoever. IRK!_{Leave me a note or two} 15:24, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

sorry I must be really dumb or something... what is to say what is notable,, I thought that was the point of an encyclopedia, it documents as much as possible as a reference for anyone who may find something useful. This curry house is noteworthy in that it was one of the first to start the household name of "balti" much in the same way as the sex pistols were one of the first to start the music craze "punk" Ah well tired of trying to defend it now... as I said before delete away ! <sigh> Andipeeuk (talk) 15:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:EVERYTHING. Also, as far as Balti is concerned, there are no secondary sources to prove that (Also, please use your signature at the end of your post, not the beginning). IRK!_{Leave me a note or two} 15:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Who is to say what is notable... Well, Wikipedia is. We have policies defining notability, which you should read (try WP:N), and also policies defining verifiability and reliable sources. If we didn't have such policies, then we would end up with articles on next-door-but-one's-ginger-tom etc. We also have a civility policy, which requires editors to be civil to each other. Your tone in this discussion has tended towards the sarcastic, and snarky, and it would be better all round if you adopted a less confrontational approach. Mayalld (talk) 16:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Look apologies all round... tbh I kinda wish I'd never bothered... my tone is as such due to an overwelming sense of frustration... all I wanted was to add my bit of input into the greatest encyclopedia ever, and include something that IS of importance (albeit in a regional sense) but no more than many other of the smaller wikipedia articles. Given that after a discussion with many people from the area we all remembered Mister Dave's. but nothing appeared to document the fact that this nugget of regional gold ever existed, all I ever wanted was to mark this milestone in the history of the Balti (which it truly is!) with its own entry into Wikipedia.Andipeeuk (talk) 14:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Andi, we believe you that it's an important restaurant. It's just that we need the sourcing to back it up, or Wikipedia will become an indiscriminate collection of information.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:52, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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