Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Universe 2015 (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Miss Universe. This does appear to fail CRYSTAL. The redirect can be undone as soon as solid reliable sourcing emerges to confirm this event is going ahead. Spartaz ^Humbug! 09:30, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Miss Universe 2015[edit]

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Crystal bol, promo The Banner talk 14:23, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And a clear recreation of an earlier removed article. The Banner talk 14:33, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings to the community of wikipedia. I think the article should not be deleted because it is the second nomination and honestly when was the first supported his disposal but now I think not. The article has solid references and personally I watch carefully as I do with other items of beauty contests that also edit almost there 2015 and 2014 edition is near. Meets criteria to stay. I hope so for further collaboration. Greetings.Jaam0121 (talk) 18:22, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your "solid references" are all related to the contestants. Not one is about the contest itself. And that is what this article is about. The Banner talk 18:44, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:CRYSTAL which states "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place". The website for MU states it's scheduled to take place on January 25, 53 days from now. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 18:45, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is noteworthy that for the first time in history the event is postponed, ie, the winner of the 63rd edition in January 2015 will receive the title of "Miss Universe 2014" (Look for example esta about the Miss Universe "2014" contestants "[1]) even though the date is 2015. However, in 2015 will have another Miss Universe which is expected by the end of that year.Jaam0121 (talk) 21:58, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So, there is not even a date known for the 2015 version? The Banner talk 01:28, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No friend. Generally the date and venue of Miss Universe disclosed very little time before the tournament, for example, this year it was announced in October and the contest is January.Jaam0121 (talk) 02:53, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So you don't know when and where the 2015 version will be held. And at least twelve of the sources of the contestants are related sources, not independent ones. The Banner talk 10:53, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

True, the date and place not known; thus passes every year. The Miss Universe Organization is, without embaro should not adversely affect the article.Jaam0121 (talk) 17:14, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But we are building an encyclopaedia based on verifiable facts found in independent sources. Not on guesswork or related sources. The Banner talk 17:44, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Correct. All data contained in the article are well checked and these are supported by these sources until the official website of the contest otherwise.Jaam0121 (talk) 00:53, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, we have WP:RS, prescribing that sources used to prove notability should be independent. At least half of the sources fails on that point. And half of the (logged-in) editors is awaiting a hammering die to this sockpuppet-case: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mrdhimas. The Banner talk 00:41, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:00, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:00, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:13, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dusti ^{*Let's talk!*} 04:14, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or Redirect to Miss Universe. A 2015 pageant is still far from guaranteed, especially with what happened to Miss Universe 2014. Most of the sources are likewise from so called pageant forums which are far from being reliable, and those that aren't are not from independent sources (mostly the national pageant websites). GrayFullbuster (talk) 04:58, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the 2014 final are only a month away, several delegates for 2015 has been selected already. We know that there will be a 2015 edition ( even if it is held in early 2016 it will be called Miss Universe 2015). I see no strong case for merging or deletion, considering that the artocle is sourced a deletion would be contra-productive.--BabbaQ (talk) 01:23, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- hmmm, the delegates are sourced, not the pageant. And most of those sources are related sources, not sources conform WP:RS. The Banner talk 09:13, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - No delegates would be chosen for "Miss Universe 2015" if their was no pageant planned. Their participation and sourcing are also sources for Miss Universe 2015 and a confirmation that a pageant will take place.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:01, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - Okay, so WP:RS is cancelled? And the active sockpuppets/meat puppets is also a minor detail that can be waived? The Banner talk 22:06, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      - I am here to weigh on notability and relevant of this article. Not on sockpuppet work.--BabbaQ (talk) 00:17, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to main Miss Universe article - Sources mostly pageant blogs, forums, etc. Cheetah255 (talk) 22:13, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As with all pageant articles as most main media does not report on pageants anymore. A Miss Universe 2015 will occur. Several contestants has already been chosen. --BabbaQ (talk) 00:16, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Frankly I do not care if it is re-directed or not. Simply because that in less than a month time it will be recreated when Miss Universe 2014 is over. This is simply some sort of entertainment for whoever made this AfD. Well, enjoy :-)--BabbaQ (talk) 00:19, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to main article: How about some AGF there, BabbaQ? The nom's not doing this for sordid entertainment any more than you're running around advocating Keep just to be disruptive. People get to disagree with you, ya know. And so do I: yeah, this is going to be in a month, but no, the sources aren't there, and they HAVE to be. WP:V's a core policy. (And the answer to "The main media isn't covering beauty pageants any more" isn't "....so that means we keep them anyway." It's "So I guess they're not very notable any more.") Nha Trang ^Allons! 20:05, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You have used an entire rationale for deletion focusing on me instead of giving any good reasoning for redirecting. Great :)--BabbaQ (talk) 23:51, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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