Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Malin (Big Brother) (2nd nomination)

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The result was merge to Big Brother 7 (U.S.). Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 08:53, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Malin (Big Brother)[edit]

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Subject fails WP:NACTOR (which requires "significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions") as well as WP:GNG. Some editors don't want this to be a redirect to the article about the Big Brother so I'm asking for deletion. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:59, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:00, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:00, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:00, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Big Brother 7 (U.S.) I created this as a redirect to a list of Big Brother housemates, and Dexxc made it an article. He could be considered to have 'significant roles in multiple notable...television shows' (WP:ENT) but I would say the 3 notable shows he has been in all go together as part of the Big Brother family. More than anything though, this is an unreferenced biography of a living person. It has had an external link added to imdb, but it is unclear if it has been used as a source. I'm assuming it has, but it's unreliable and not an accepted source. Without proper sourcing, we can't keep it as an article. I looked for reliable sources to add, but didn't find extensive coverage. Unless sources are added to prove notability, I think it should be a protected redirect to the series he won. Boleyn (talk) 16:09, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Paintspot: You asked for this AfD. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:04, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~Redirect~~Merge he was the winner of Big Brother 7 (U.S.), so that's the best target. There are no references; winning Big Brother is not inherently notable; and I don't believe material for a stand-alone article exists. Power~enwiki (talk) 19:48, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: In the world of reality television, I'd say a winner and "all-star" of a reality television competition series as large, popular, and somewhat innovative as Big Brother is actually quite notable. Heck, if this isn't notable, why are any Big Brother contestants' pages notable?! I'd definitely argue that they are. Also, Malin's page is probably more notable than most Big Brother contestants' pages: he's one of its earliest winners and "all-stars", and he's done way more things (like being in a few movies and shows and things) than most recent winner pages' people have. Paintspot Infez (talk) 03:06, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Very few Big Brother contestants are notable; it's likely some winners meet WP:ENT but I don't believe all of them do. That said, the bigger problem here is that there are zero references for a WP:BLP article. Power~enwiki (talk) 05:38, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per past AfDs. Unless consensus has drastically changed, I'd say that winners of major "reality" shows are almost always kept. Changing this now would create a terrible precedent and could result in a flood of AfDs revisiting old fights. I warned you, Wikifolk. Bearian (talk) 00:33, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Bearian: Pointing to WP:OUTCOMES is circular reasoning. Please provide a policy-based rationale. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:21, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or redirect?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, So Why 09:12, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've changed my "Redirect" vote to merge; while I support the redirect over the article as currently written, I don't support any history deletion. I note Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Natalie White (2nd nomination) as a reality-show winner that was deleted; however, the deletion case there doesn't apply here. Mike Malin has appeared on several series of Big Brother after his victory, is not a WP:BLP1E candidate, and likely meets WP:ENT. The reason I support a merge is the complete lack of secondary references in this BLP article. I find mostly TV synopses and scandal coverage (e.g. [1] ). Power~enwiki (talk) 00:39, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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