Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michelle Orpe

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle (talk) 03:20, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Michelle Orpe[edit]

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Doesn't qualify as a poker player nor, I'm guessing, as a TV presenter/host. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:36, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep:- per significant coverages in multiple independent relible sources, subject of the article meet WP:BASIC. The subject of the article is a Professional poker player and TV presenter. She is listed in the "Top 5 female poker host" per this source. I lso found 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 6 and 7 to mention few. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 21:29, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. She is not a professional player, and being named one of the top five female poker hosts is not a big deal (are there even more than five all together?). Clarityfiend (talk) 23:41, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's your own personal opinion and not a policy based. reliable sources claimed she is a Professional poker player and TV presenter, a description by multiple reliable sources. Meanwhile WP:RS is all that is important to Wikipedia and that's where Wikipedia draws its conclusion and not from a non-policy based opinion. For example if you actually know that Barrack Obama is the president of the US and no single reliable source mention that, certainly you cannot include that claim in the encyclopedia which undermine your own fact that he's actually a US president. Aside all this, per significant coverages in multiple RS, she actually meet WP:GNG. To be blunt with you, your deletion rational that She doesn't qualify as a poker player nor, I'm guessing, as a TV presenter/host seemed to be ridiculous to me. Your rational clearly shows that you ignored this guideline before your nomination, which is not a good idea to me. By observing that guideline, you will definitely not have any reason to "guess" whether she is a TV presenter/host or not per your rational. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 08:36, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A professional poker player is generally defined as someone who makes a living at it. The Hendon mob database shows her tournament winnings as a bit more than $10K. In an interview, she herself admits "I much preferred the guaranteed income [working at Sky Poker] rather than the risk of playing for a living". That's irrelevant anyway. Being a professional poker player no more qualifies for notability than being a professional accountant. WP:POKER#Biography article notability criteria, while only an essay, suggests at least a major tournament win or a $1 million cash. As for GNG, most of the references are either not about her specifically or just announce she has taken a new position. The onlinepoker.net article may or may not be acceptable; it plays up her "Stunning Poker Babe"ness, so it's more a case of WP:HOTTIE (where did that go?). That leaves a Poker News interview. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:53, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. When I said "I'm guessing", I was referring to the notability of being a host/presenter, not whether she was one. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:56, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Satisfies the "prolific" criterion of WP:ENT by being host of multiple television series. Pax 05:43, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Wikicology. Subject clearly meets WP:BASIC. BenLinus 1214^talk 02:47, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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