Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miami Beach Community Kollel

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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 02:26, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Miami Beach Community Kollel[edit]

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The notability of this depends on whether this is an institute of higher education analogous to a college, or an adult study program . As I understand it, a kollel can be either. I am not sure. It would of course help to have some actually substantial references, but we have consistently held that all colleges are notable. I see that it consists of only 2 professors and 9 students, or I would have not have questioned whether it was correct to call it a formal college-level institution. DGG ( talk ) 06:00, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete. A kollel as described here is not a formalized college-level, educational institute. From reading the article and from my OR on kollels of this type, it is a group of Lakewood graduates who are looking to positively influence the Jewish community in Miami.

"These classes are open to the community and are well attended. The Kollel occasionally offers larger lectures, and special events especially during holiday times. The Kollel is also a community synagogue offering services three times a day and on the Sabbath and Jewish holidays."

While this is great, it is more along the lines of a community non-profit than a higher education institute. Joe407 (talk) 07:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. —Joe407 (talk) 07:35, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"The notability of this depends on whether this is an institute of higher education analogous to a college, or an adult study program." No, it doesn't. Even you recognize that this kollel does not neatly fit into any familiar category of kept or deleted pages at wp:outcomes. The solution in this unfamiliar case, surely, is to apply wp:n straightforwardly. Yet you would rather engage in a pointless and metaphysical discussion of whether this is a "formal college-level institution." Come down from the clouds and think about the concrete idea of looking for independent sources with which an encyclopedia article can be written. And--what a coincidence--this is what wp:n counsels. 160.39.213.222 (talk) 07:57, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If it were a formal institution of higher education and issued degrees, it would classify as a College, and we have always kept any such that have real existence. If I had thought it clearly was one, I would not have brought it here. But if it were, a search in appropriate print haredi publications would find sources. Even this might have such sources, but I can not effectively work with this material. if you can, perhaps you might look? DGG ( talk ) 17:52, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Not notable. Chesdovi (talk) 16:40, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. Yes, a community kollel is not a school per se, but an outreach tool which offers both free classes and one-on-one learning sessions for the public, while satisfying the Torah study requirements of its student members with its own rabbi and shiurim (classes). There are many such community kollels across the U.S. and in Jewish communities abroad. If this AfD goes through, I suggest starting a page called List of community kollels — similar to List of yeshivas — to include all these small kollels that aren't notable enough for their own page. Yoninah (talk) 19:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.