Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Melodic restitution

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Melodic restitution[edit]

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My prod (and all the article tags) were removed with no explanation, no other edits to the article and no attempt to address the concerns. So bringing to AFD.

I am unable to successfully source this as a valid term. Despite the article claiming that much has been published on this topic I can find nothing of use on Google Scholar or Athens.

I pinged my brother over this, a musician, and he has never heard the term (though that is not a conclusive answer).

More unsourced content exists at Gregorian chant#Melodic restitution and, if this can be sourced, I think it is of minor significance and so should be dealt with in the Gregorian chant article. Errant [tmorton166] ^(chat!) 09:51, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Melodic restitution, as a concept is valid. Google Book has many books with information on it. The entry at gregorian chants is good, although it doesn't go into detail on how it's actually accomplished. A seperate article on that would be useful, so I think the article should be expanded by the present editor. The Google book results have good primary and secondary sources. I think the detail in the Gregorian chant article should be removed and merged into this article. scope_creep (talk) 20:00, 11 october 2010 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:12, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Here's an entire book on the subject. Colonel Warden (talk) 17:35, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nah, that's a really interesting book (I'm about 3 chapters in at this point) but it only seems to mention melodic restitution in passing, the topic of the book is on the general topic of restoring Gregorian chants. However, I may have located a decent source with which to build an article, but it is on order... --Errant [tmorton166] ^(chat!) 18:11, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It may be that you can't see the wood for the trees. Please see A concise history of western music which explains that Gregorian chants have been transformed over time and that scholars are now recreating the original forms. Colonel Warden (talk) 18:23, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice... but useless because it does not mention melodic restitution at all ;) Look, the problem is sourcing the following: melodic restitution === restoring Gregorian chants. The current article also implies this is a wider term, but I can't find specifics on that. Google book search has a few hits, but none with previews so it is as yet impossible to verify the definition. As I said; I am waiting on one of the books to see what it says. --Errant [tmorton166] ^(chat!) 18:39, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My impression is that it is the title of the article which is bothering you. This may be amended by moving the article - a standard editing function which does not require deletion. The primary scholarship for this topic seems to be mainly in French and this may perhaps explain why it seems clumsy or confusing in English. Colonel Warden (talk) 18:44, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, the term melodic restitution is my problem... this is very simple stuff, don't confuse matter! We could quite easily write an article about the restoration of Gregorian chants. But it is unclear what melodic restitution is, if it is the same thing etc. I desisted moving the page because the article was specific in saying this is a general term but often relates to chants - but I cannot find a RS for that at this stage. If you have French sources please feel free to provide them and I can do the legwork verifying them. --Errant [tmorton166] ^(chat!) 18:50, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a selection of sources. Colonel Warden (talk) 19:15, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, you still seem to be misunderstanding. none of those deal with melodic restitution as a term. I am trying to establish a firm definition melodic restitution. If it is a descriptive name for restoring gregorian chant then we are onto a winner, but so far there is no verified RS that deals with the issue. Do you understand this? --Errant [tmorton166] ^(chat!) 19:22, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is our policy that Wikipedia is not a dictionary. This means that we are more concerned with topics than with terms. It seems clear that we have a substantial topic here. The focus of the current draft is upon Gregorian chant but the same topic appears in other forms; for example, see Studies in the Performance of Late Medieval Music. Our editing policy is to pick up the ball and run with it. Colonel Warden (talk) 19:31, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, I will move the page and remove mentions of melodic restitution. I honbestly can't be bothered with the headache, persistent WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT is just getting disruptive :( --Errant [tmorton166] ^(chat!) 19:47, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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