Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Megumin

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The result was merge to List of KonoSuba characters#Megumin. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 09:07, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Megumin[edit]

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Reception is WP:REFBOMB but has nothing particularly about the character Megumin as compared to just trivial mentions in other material about the series itself, or fan votes (WP:USERG). The article in general fails WP:GNG and has nothing that could not simply be contained within the character list for the series. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:00, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, and Anime and manga. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:00, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Crunchyroll and Comicbook.com seem to think that the character is significant enough that they can talk about a Megumin-centric spinoff series without bothering to explain who Megumin is. Obviously, if this isn't going to be standalone (and at 2 days of existence, I think an AfD is probably premature) it will need to be at least a redirect somewhere. Jclemens (talk) 16:32, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The first source cited there is WP:PRIMARY as it clearly states Source: Press Release. In any event, with the anime not even released yet, this is clearly WP:TOOSOON. She may be notable if the anime gets a ton of coverage, but that is not the case currently. (I should note that there is no such thing as a "premature" AfD if the content is clearly not sourced properly. AfC exists for a reason, of course). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:44, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Premature in meaning that if an editor has just broken out a new article, it's appropriate to query if more sources are forthcoming or just AGF that further improvement might be forthcoming before sending a new article to AfD. Jclemens (talk) 19:56, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If it was intended to be a work in progress, that's what drafts are for. People can see and edit them. But mainspace articles are expected to be notable from Day 1. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:26, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You meant, "demonstrate notability from day 1" I trust, per WP:NEXIST. I don't disagree, but note that we're dealing with busy volunteers executing things imperfectly; I tend to favor a week's grace period and a talk page notice on the creator's talk page as a best practice, but I understand that that is not universally agreed upon, let alone written down anywhere as an expectation. Jclemens (talk) 18:53, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Found more articles centered around her and added around her. I don't know if I can't add more content though.Tintor2 (talk) 18:28, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:VG, at least, has come to the conclusion that CBR sources are not indicative of standalone notability, despite being usable for content purposes. They are content mill articles and gazillions exist for many pop culture characters.

ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Found more sources about gng and the spinoff where is the protagonist. Not sure if it's better now.

Keep Found several sources in terms of characterization and reception. Even then, the existing secondary sources and nominations the character received in popularity and being the main star of the spin-off doesn't violate WP:GNG in my opinion. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 01:07, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@SuperSkaterDude45 Could you link these sources here? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:10, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: Not sure why you pinged me twice but here's some sources for characterization: 1, 2, 3. I'd do the reception part but since the time I've posted my initial comment and this reply, people have already used some of the sources I was going to use so it'd be superfluous to link them here again. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 18:26, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@SuperSkaterDude45 I am afraid those won't help here at all, they are about the upcoming spin off, and provide just the boilerplate plot summary related to the character. If these are the best sources we have, then there is nothing to save here. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:55, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: Unfortunately, the only summaries I could find are from social media such as Reddit or Twitter as the Light Novel series in general doesn't get nearly as much coverage compared to the anime. The best I can do is provide the ISBN's of the English spinoff novels (ISBN 978-1-97-535764-1, ISBN 978-1-97-530597-0, ISBN 978-1-97-530600-7, ISBN 978-1-97-530603-8 and ISBN 978-1-97-530606-9). Now what I could do is similar to what other anime character articles do is that I can write my own summary of the spinoffs using the Cite LN template as reference. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 22:09, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep eh I'd say the sourcing currently present in the article is enough for it to scrape past GNG. Satellizer el Bridget ^(Talk) 13:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Enough reliable sources are talking about this character, and now also her upcoming spin-off. Dream Focus 08:31, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List_of_KonoSuba_characters#Megumin. She is a popular character in the fandom, but I am seeing little sourcing that would meet WP:SIGCOV. Ping me if you think I missed something and I'll take a look. I did look at the sourcing present, and it's a ton of mentions in passing and trivia like winning a minor popularity ranking or placing in the n-th position or such. Nothing in scholarly sources. Hence, the reception is a great summary of what fans think about her, in passing. Sorry, but that's not enough to warrant this being kept as a stand-alone article. Maybe one day we will get some sources that meet SIGCOV, but that doesn't appear to be the case yet. -=_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:13, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Piotrus. Most of these sources are not reliable. Even more reliable sources, like Gamespot, are covering the story itself. These are WP:TRIVIALMENTIONs of the character, at best. I'm willing to grant that somewhere in the padded reference section there might be something worth WP:PRESERVING, but only after removing some of the questionable sources, and removing the parts that aren't really about the character. Shooterwalker (talk)
Merge to List_of_KonoSuba_characters#Megumin.4meter4 (talk) 01:20, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List_of_KonoSuba_characters#Megumin. Bruxton (talk) 02:42, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.