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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 01:44, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mayu Sakai[edit]

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Unnotable manga author. Written a few short series, none notable either. No significant coverage in reliable, third party sources. Article nothing more than a formatted copy of her ANN profile with a link to her blog. Fails WP:BIO and WP:CREATIVE. Declined speedy. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 13:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. I'd be a lot happier if you'd waited on this AfD until those on her works had finished. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:28, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
None of her works are notable, beyond maybe Rockin' Heaven (which I still disagree with) and that isn't really enough to claim she is notable. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 15:48, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
See Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Episodes_and_characters_2#Fait_accompli. You are attempting to delete the obvious merge target for the numerous prodded/afd'd articles on her works. Why not wait and see how THOSE pan out? What, are you taking over for TTN now? 159.182.1.4 (talk) 17:53, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Obvious merge target for what? An unnotable author and her unnotable works (and sorry, but considering she's only written four series period of which 3 are at AfD, numerous is a stretch). Also please note that a - Fait_accompli does not apply here at all, this is not a "large number" of articles by any stretch nor does it say anything about removing a small group of unnotable articles at all, its cleaning up behind an overly enthusiastic fan. Also, That RfA has nothing to do with me as I was not really a party in it at all, and any restrictions do not apply. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:06, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: So, some stats. All four of this author's series have been put up for deletion. Of these four, one prod was replaced with a merge proposal, two were AFD'd with a result of positive keep (as opposed to a no consensus default keep, I mean), and the other AFD is still in progress, but looks like it'll resolve to either merge-to-author or delete. Assuming that result, the subject of this article is the creator of two notable works. Does that make her pass WP:CREATIVE? —Quasirandom (talk) 15:49, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not really. She still has no significant coverage anywhere, and considering those two keeps were primarily based on the translation issue and the now removed MoS notability addition that is now being discussed at WP:BK, they have not actually shown any real notability beyond "they were translated" (and considering there seems to be objections to having BK applied to graphic novels, they would then default back to WP:N, which of course does not have such an exception either and are still unnotable. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 15:56, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I'd say multiple works from a major publisher does make her notable. I can see the line being drawn on either side of an author like this, but given the success of at least two of her works internationally, deletion seems uncalled for. Doceirias (talk) 19:20, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep If her works are deemed notable, then that makes her automatically notable. If it is determined than none of her creations are, only then can you get delete this. Dream Focus (talk) 23:58, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wrong. Nothing in Creative says that having a notable work makes you notable. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:15, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's circular reasoning since the reason cited to keep one of her works was that it was by a notable manga creator. --Farix (Talk) 13:30, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The author fails WP:BIO and WP:CREATIVE. I will also point out that the AfD results of one of her works was actually a "no consensus" result with the two keep comments cited a fake notability criterion. --Farix (Talk) 13:30, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, the closing result for both Rockin' Heaven and Nagatachou Strawberry was "keep". Whether the latter should have been a "no consensus" is another matter (that's how I would have closed it), but please don't make false claims. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • So, getting back to answering my question above: if you read WP:CREATIVE carefully, one notes that it's not enough to have created notable works, but you have to have created works notable in certain ways. There are ways of having your books pass WP:BK that do not meet you passing WP:CREATIVE, and Sakai's works so far seem to have done just that. Pending a demonstration that her works have been multiply reviewed or that she herself has been multiply covered, she does not meet our notability standards at this time: Delete. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
She is an entertainer. WP:ENTERTAINER "Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following." If it here works are popular, in confirmable sales or countable illegal downloads(some fansub sites keep track of such things), then she is notable. Dream Focus (talk) 01:17, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
She is not an entertainer. Authors are covered by creative, not entertainer, nor does having a few people post fansubs count as a "large fan base" nor having "a significant cult following". -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:27, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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