Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matzo farfel granola

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The result was merge to Granola#Matzo Granola. J04n(talk page) 13:20, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Matzo farfel granola[edit]

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Unsourced since its creation in 2006, which is no wonder, because this is neither a well known or well referenced subject. A Google search only turns up recipe pages. Yoninah (talk) 00:52, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Yoninah (talk) 00:52, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. Yoninah (talk) 00:52, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There are a near-infinite number of Passover food substitutes, but few merit standalone articles. There is no sourcing in the article and nothing supporting a claim found in a Google search. Alansohn (talk) 01:06, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per Alansohn.E.M.Gregory (talk) 09:42, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Merge I cannot believe this page has been around for so long judging by what it is. I would say delete or it can be merged into granola if enough sources could be found to demonstrate it is worthy of inclusion there, but based on what I see it should just be deleted. - Galatz ^Talk 12:30, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
'~~Keep'~~, but rename to Mazto granola. I have to say I learned something new looking at the article. I did find a a source with farfel here.[1]. Matzo farfel is just broken up matzo, and "Matzo granola" is by far the COMMONNAME here. Somes sources: books[2][3]. Martha Stewart [4] (gotta count for something when Martha...). Multiple news items (around April for an odd reason) - [5][6][7][8] and plenty others.Icewhiz (talk) 14:02, 21 March 2018 (UTC) Struck !vote per support for merge & redirect to subsection.Icewhiz (talk) 12:27, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect to Granola#Matzo Granola, per discussion below.Icewhiz (talk) 12:27, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
(see proposal below)Keep (sigh) and rename Mazto granola. Between granola trivia and the non-Easter bunny living on the front lawn of the Naval Observatory I am enmeshed in a surreal Wikipedia silly season. I bow to sources already on the page, those brought by Icewhiz and the annual journalistic need for something new to say about a holiday that has come every year for the last 3,000.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:14, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't doubt that matzo granola exists, and Martha Stewart (who calls it "thinking out of the box") and her proteges are certainly giving it coverage, but it has no history before the 21st century. Gil Marks' Encyclopedia of Jewish Food doesn't mention it. Joan Nathan doesn't mention it. There's no history to speak of in a Wikipedia article. What are we going to write, a recipe? Yoninah (talk) 21:09, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thats why I said it could be a section under the main granola article. Put together a paragraph and let this page redirect to there.Galatz ^Talk 21:24, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Proposing we Redirect to granola. [[User:Galatz and User:Yoninah have a point. granola is quite a short article; this is a type of granola (an imitation mthat stay within the narrow dietary restrictions of Passover); and despite the annual spate of article covering this recent introduciton to the Passover diet, granola matzah is a very narrow topic. Redirect is a perfect solution.@Icewhiz, Alansohn, Yoninah, and Galatz:E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:40, 21 March 2018 (UTC)@Icewhiz, Alansohn, Yoninah, and Galatz:[reply]
- I'll agree with a redirect to granola. Yoninah (talk) 22:58, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - We have content here. I agree both are short, so a merge is possible - but this should be a merge, not a redirect. Note that the definition of Matzo Granola, which does not use Rolled oats (which are not Kosher for pesach - oats being one of the 5 grains - this would be seen as Chametz gamur) contradicts with the definition of Granola in the granola article which is defined to use rolled oats as the primary ingredient. We would have to modify the lede of granola accordingly (or redirect to a subsection on matzo granola), lest we cause confusion amongst our readers regarding the use of a patently non-Pesachdic ingredient in a food product that is alleged (by the mazto prefix) to be pesachdic. Icewhiz (talk) 09:49, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - @Icewhiz: but look how it's done at Farfel. Matzo farfel has nothing to do with egg pasta, but the two are combined in the same article. Yoninah (talk) 10:43, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      - Yes, but Farfel (being a stub in itself) makes clear that Matzo farfel is matzo, and contains content on matzo farfel (around 33% of the article). I am not opposed to a merge - but the lede (or alternatively a redirect to a subsection) would have to be modified and content added to Granola. A simple straight up redirect won't do - to the contrary - it would present false information to whomever is interested in "matzo granola".Icewhiz (talk) 10:46, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        Sorry, I'm getting my terms mixed up. I think the best solution is a subsection on matzo granola in the granola article, just as matzo farfel will (eventually) be a subsection in the farfel article. Yoninah (talk) 10:53, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        I agree a merge and redirect to Granola#Matzo Granola would to the trick.Icewhiz (talk) 12:25, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete with love This made me giggle way too much; since it's Pesach now to think that an article for such a specific food item existed for so long is hilarious. Waddie96 (talk) 15:16, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 11:35, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.