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The result was delete. Shereth 20:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew Wrankmore[edit]

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Ice Hockey player who does not meet WP:ATHLETE. Ice Hockey is not a fully professional sport in Australia. He has not represented Australia in an international tournament. There are no reliable, independent sources provided for this article. This is a disputed PROD, reasons have been supplied on the article's talk page. Mattinbgn\talk 01:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak delete. The sport is certainly not a "fully professional" league as prescribed by WP:ATHLETE. Perhaps merge into Central Coast Rhinos. (Steven Adams (hockey) perhaps should be added to this discussion.) Moondyne 01:52, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Doesn't meet WP:ATHLETE as per nom and Moondyne. The description of the 07 city/country match could be moved to a separate ice hockey city/country article if one exists or the AIHL article if not. (Assuming that ice hockey city/country is run under the auspices of the AIHL, that is.) Other than that the stuff about his position and how long he's been in the team belongs in the team article. Nasica (talk) 05:38, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, I'm inclined to think that playing in a representative game like City/Country is an indicator of notability, but the notability criterion doesn't have anything to say about this. Thoughts? Lankiveil (speak to me) 06:37, 5 July 2008 (UTC).[reply]
  • Delete: The notability criteria states that only "fully professional" athletes qualify.  RGTraynor  08:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, the article says it all: "semi-professional ice hockey player".. Punkmorten (talk) 21:43, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hockey-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 23:04, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:ATHELETE. Five Years 12:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep WP:ATHLETE also says the highest level of amateur sport. And in Australia the AIHL is the highest level of amateur hockey. The Ice Hockey projects more strict guidelines would also include this player under the criteria of "Played one or more games in an amateur league considered, through lack of a professional league, the highest level of competition extant".-Djsasso (talk) 19:04, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment No, the highest level of amateur ice hockey is the national team. -- Mattinbgn\talk 06:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It's been argued before (though I don't really agree) that the National team is not the highest level of amateur sport because professionals can play in the Olympics and World Championships now. -Djsasso (talk) 14:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Having written the criterion in question, my intent, as I gave in the examples, was to highlight periods in major hockey powers before professional leagues were allowed, such as 19th century Canada and the pre-1990 Soviet Union. The "top national league" criterion also assumed that the nation in question was a legitimate hockey power, and the examples I gave were leagues from Sweden, the Czech Republic and Russia. Neither was intended (for example) to immediately qualify for articles any players in a putative Nigerian hockey league.  RGTraynor  00:54, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Meets WP:HOCKEY requirements. This is the top ice hockey league in Australia, and he plays in it. – Nurmsook! (talk) 05:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment He is an amateur players in an amateur sport. The only exception I would make for the general non-notability of Australian ice hockey players would be those who have represented the national team in an olympic or world championship qualifying tournament. -- Mattinbgn\talk 06:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 06:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Djasso. He plays in Australia's top league. Grsztalk 14:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • DELETE The amateur clause guideline applies only to sports that don't a professional league anywhere. The fact that Australia doesn't have a professional hockey league is no concern here. If he was good enough and he could achieve notability by playing professionally outside of Australia. ccwaters (talk) 14:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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