Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Moses

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No Consensus, defaulting to Keep. Disagreement over whether he is notable for wikipedia or not. Davewild (talk) 16:12, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Matt Moses

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• Delete. Non-notable minor league baseball player. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fort Myers Miracles players for a bunch of similar ones. I am nominating this article separately because he was drafted in the first round and played in AAA, but I am still voting delete because the AAA stay did not work out and the player is still in AA five years after being drafted. This article was created prematurely. —Wknight94 (talk) 01:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. —Wknight94 (talk) 01:47, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Barring a call-up to the majors, this article just doesn't meet notability requirements yet (and there it no information to suggest he will meet though requirements any time soon). - Masonpatriot (talk) 03:01, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
• Delete looks more like an article about the team and not the individual.Keep Wikipedia:WPBB#Players okay, I'll go with it!--Paul McDonald (talk) 17:49, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Florida State League All-Star in 2005. Spanneraol (talk) 14:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Minor-league All-Stars are notable. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 15:51, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Minor league all stars are notable per WP:BASEBALL and this man was a minor league all-star. Kinston eagle (talk) 17:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Keep per Wikipedia:WPBB#Players

1. Have played in at least a whole season in AAA baseball, played in the All-Star Futures Game, won a notable Minor League Baseball award, or been selected for any minor league baseball All-star game in the affiliated minor leagues. SashaNein (talk) 17:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. Minor league players should not be notable. I am aware that this is not what current guidelines say; I am working on getting them changed. RayAYang (talk) 20:09, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. WP:ATHLETE says fully-professional league, not minors. The WPBB section clearly states it is an essay, not a policy. Addionne (talk) 22:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

The minors are "fully professional". Spanneraol (talk) 23:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

• • Coment Minors are fully profesional teams. They are paid to play are they not? So why is it not fully profesional?--E tac (talk) 04:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

• I enjoy watching minor league baseball, but I also recognize that minor league teams are primarily about developing players for their "parent" major league teams. Playing and winning games is a secondary consideration. For example, if the parent team says that a minor league shortstop needs to learn how to play second base or a pitcher needs to work on his curve ball, that's what they'll do, regardless of its effect on the minor league team's record. That's not quite what I think of as "fully professional" play, which I see as being completely committed to winning games. BRMo (talk) 03:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. Bios in encyclopedia are intended for people that are widely accepted as the elite in their profession. This person is not a notable baseball player. There are thousands upon thousands of baseball players that have accomplished as much as him. If he is equal to thousands upon thousands of other players it doesn't make any sense for there to be an article about him in an encyclopedia. For those editors that won't accept an argument at an afd discussion that doesn't include wikilinked abbreviations here goes: Delete. No coverage in WP:RS, thus not meeting WP:BIO. WP:BB is a Wikiproject, thus any notability standard they come up with doesn't trump WP:BIO. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 23:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

The guidelines say no such thing as "....intended for people that are widely accepted as the elite in their profession." Where does it state that wikipedia is only for the elite? You can be notable without being the "best of the best." And in any event, being selected to an all-star game makes you pretty darn elite.Spanneraol (talk) 23:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

That's why I gave two choices. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 23:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

• Keep First round pick as well as minor league all star and was named Gatorade player of the year in Virginia in 2003.--E tac (talk) 04:54, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - I'm not impressed by his "mid-season" all-star recognition. (How many minor league all-star awards are given out? Apparently quite a few; if all-star awards are going to signify notability, we need to be more specific about which ones count.) But first-round draft picks do receive a lot of attention; players drafted in the first round are generally regarded as the elite players of the minor leagues and the best prospects for making the majors. Therefore, I'll recommend keeping this article. BRMo (talk) 03:52, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.