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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Missvain (talk) 03:16, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Massive Ego[edit]

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This is the page for a (mainly covers) band made up of various musicians who have previously been in other, better-known bands. None of the current or former members has their own WP page, and even if they did, notability is not inherited. Unless I've missed something, their gigs have been support slots for better-known bands or on small stages at big multiple-stage events such as Pride festivals. Their recordings have been either on minor labels or self-released on Bandcamp. None of the cited sources demonstrate significant, third-party coverage: they're either streaming/download sites or social media, and I've been unable to find any other coverage which would pass WP:NBAND.
Also bundling the band's recordings:

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:15, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:15, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Firstly, you obviously didn't read the article properly, as the band only started out with mostly covers... They have since changed the direction of their music, releasing original material. So your branding of them as a (mostly covers) band is not only inaccurate, but ignorant, given their number of original songs is greater than the number of covers that they have recorded.


Their current label is not a 'minor label'... Having been around since 1995, and having many notable acts in their rosta, Out of Line Music would be classed as an independent label, by Wikipedia's classification WP:NBAND Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable). They have released two albums and an EP with Out of Line Music.
They have played the main stage at festivals, not just small stages:

They also have been the headline act, including their double headline tour earlier this year with Ashbury Heights, where both acts were headliners. The second half of the tour, which would have taken place later in the year, was cancelled on account of the Covid-19 pandemic.
They have had multiple articles and interviews in Germany's Sonic Seducer and Orkus magazines. The latest being:

Alinblack (talk) 20:47, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Have you got any more reliable sources available? As per WP:RS, we try to avoid using Facebook as a reference for notability. Spiderone 21:18, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The information has since been removed from the Schattenwelt website, as most festival websites tend to focus on promoting whats upcoming, as opposed to the festivals that have already taken place. So the original information as to the bands who played the main stages is no longer there, and only seems to exist in any form of chronology through Facebook posts, which makes referencing difficult.

Alinblack (talk) 01:28, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And are there any sources that provide significant coverage of the band (i.e. more than just a passing mention in a concert listing)? Spiderone 09:54, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the articles are in Sonic Seducer and Orkus magazines, rather than online. I found a link to an article on the Sonic Seducer website, and it also mentions of an interview the band did in one of the magazines previous issues:

This link from Orkus magazines website mentions of the interview that was referred to in one of the links I provided from a facebook post that shows a photograph of the interview in the magazine. The link t Orkus also shows the bands name on the front cover in one of the pictures.

There are also a number of pictures of interviews from magazines and newspapers on the bands website, as well as links to some interviews on various sites:

Also, I'd like to reiterate the point I made previously about them having released two albums on a notable independent label which by Wikipedia's classification WP:NBAND (See #5) is enough for the article to be deemed notable. Alinblack (talk) 16:25, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep band article, merge album articles into it. As stated by previous user, band article passes WP:BAND "Has released two or more albums on ... one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)." (Beautiful Suicide and Church for the Malfunctioned both on Out of Line Music.)

Not so certain of individual notability of releases. Best to merge this data into the main article to make one long piece.Romomusicfan (talk) 00:07, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The Ace in Spades: Main band article passes WP:SNG WP:BAND as detailed above - an SNG has equal standing with the GNG.
(to quote WP:N "A topic is presumed to merit an article if it meets EITHER the general notability guideline below, OR the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline ....) Romomusicfan (talk) 14:17, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Why is this nominated for deletion? Even if the band has released some stuff on Bandcamp, they have records released on labels. They don't appear to be a "minor" labels. Even if they are minor labels, who cares? They still appear to be notable. The labels themselves are connected to many bands which have Wiki articles. Should we delete those too? HocusPocus00 (talk) 09:14, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep band article, merge album articles into it. Keep the band article as per the coverage in reliable German sources discussed above but merge the album and song articles into the band article as there is not enough coverage for those to be stand alone articles, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 00:06, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Would suggest redirects to the band page be implemented on all the album/song articles. This way content on these articles is preserved so it can be imported into the main band page at leisure. Romomusicfan (talk) 14:36, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I agree the band passes WP:NBAND. I also agree that the albums need to be redirected to the band, as none appear to pass WP:NALBUM. Onel5969 TT me 13:57, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Closing admin comment - I am closing this as keep, feel free to discuss merging the albums (I agree about doing that) on their talk pages per WP:MERGE. Thanks everyone.
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