Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maryvale Mall

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The result was keep. Sources provided support keeping; now they should be implemented to article only (talk) 00:24, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Maryvale Mall[edit]

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No sourcing found Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 04:00, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 04:30, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 04:30, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to Maryvale, Arizona, or maybe just keep it. Maryvale Shopping City was an important part of the overall design for this landmark suburban development by John F. Long and his architect, Victor Gruen. There are assorted sources apparent (though not necessarily readable in full) in searches, e.g. [1][2][3][4]. References can also be seen to offline resources about the mall in architectural and urban policy journals, as well as sources about its later decline and adaptive reuse as a school (e.g. [5]). Newspaper articles from the Arizona Republic are also apparent at newspapers.com, but it's "premium" material. With enough effort and better access, someone could probably source much of this. In the meantime, however, it might be sufficient to merge this into the existing article about the area. --Arxiloxos (talk) 18:06, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, if we do merge let's leave behind a categorized redirect. I've just added one of those book cites, with a link to Victor Gruen and created Category:Victor Gruen buildings. At a time when these malls are fast-disappearing from many parts of the U.S., we do need to take care that we're not losing content on notable former landmarks that simply don't have a lot of online sources. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:42, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:42, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~Redirect~~ to Maryvale, Arizona per WP:ATD-R as a valid search term. The latter article has some content about the mall. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:48, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep based on the sources mentioned above and additional such as [6], [7], [8], [9], [10] and as mentioned above, all the coverage in the Arizona Republic on this significant part of Phoenix's history. The article needs improvement and sourcing, but the topic is notable. MB 14:42, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Shawn in Montreal:, @Northamerica1000: Did any of you look at these sources? They seem to be worthwhile. I will withdraw the AFD and add the sources if you agree. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 04:13, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

ETA: @MB: The Google Books links seem to be broken. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 04:14, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@TenPoundHammer: I fixed one Google Book link; the others seem to be OK. MB 15:27, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The initial links provided are passing mentions, and I'm unable to access some of the newer sources posted. Struck my !vote above, though. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:43, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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