Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marshal of the Empire

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. W.marsh 02:35, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Marshal of the Empire[edit]

The article lacks any sources and is a highly suspected hoax. No google results for such rank to exist in Britain. Nixer 20:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This article is a hoax, I can find no references in any publications about British military history. If such a rank were to exist then there would be some info in either published form, or on the Internet. Delete this article. --SunStar Net 21:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep & rewrite The term seems to be used in many countries, although I can find no record of its use in British titles. It is the natural English translation of the German title Reichsmarschal, for instance, and I see a lot of references online to Napoleon having granted it to a variety of people. Also worth noting is that Generalissimo also claims that this title was used in Britain. If this is found to be incorrect, this page should be corrected also. JulesH 22:07, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The claim in Generalissimo was made by the same user [1] who created Marshal of the Empire.--Nixer 22:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Revert to the original redirect to First Marshal of the Empire. I asked over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/British military history task force, and they've never heard of this rank in the British army. Demiurge 22:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep & rewrite "Marshal of ..." seems to have been used in many countries, among them France, so it may have been something they've picked-up there. There certainly is a rank of "Lord/Earl Marshal of England/Irelan/UK", which have existed for a long time, and I guess it's possible that it could have been refered to as "...of the Empire" by some. It's not a military rank per se, but it's possible as the article claim, that it at one time wilded the power of the monarc. "The Lord High Admiral" - a similar royal appointee - would certainly at some time have been able to command the navy with the monarc's authority. [[2]]

My guess is that the title of Napolionic rank has been mixed together with a similar English/British one. It should be cleaned-up; the historical and current power of the rank should be checked (e.g. would it at any time ordered soldiers around in the Kings name); and would it be a rank that could be used in certain situation (e.g. if the UK leads a large multi-nasional force and one of it's general is appointeded Surpreme Commander of Allied Forces; could that person then be given this rank to "promote" him compared to other generals of the same rank (others ranked as Field Marshal or General of the Army) and to emphesize that he wielded the whole of the Queen's power over the British military). --Koppe 22:15, 1 December 2006 (CET)

I highly doubt that since British Empire is not empire officially (just only kingdom)--Nixer 21:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - "However, there has never been a recorded Marshal of the Empire" - made-up rank with no sources and no basis in history.--Nydas^(Talk) 09:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete Pure imagination. There has never been such a rank in the UK, and analogies with other countries where there is an equivalent is wholly irrelevant. And there has indeed never been a formal British Empire. Pre independence, the monarch was Emperor or Empresss of India, but just India. DGG 01:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.