Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mariusz Handzlik

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The result was keep‎. Qualifies ANYBIO amd BASIC. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 03:03, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mariusz Handzlik[edit]

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No evidence of this meeting WP:NBIO. Non-notable minor bureaucrat/politician (Undersecretary of State in the Office of the President of the Republic of Poland) who died in a high-profile crash. Pl Wikipedia article is a bit longer but also has nothing suggesting notability (obits, plus minor coverage related to a minor scandal he was involved in shortly before his death). A posthumous award of Order of Polonia Restituta, likely mass-awarded to everyone who died in said tragic event (~90 people) is not enough. WP:ATD-R would be to redirect this to List of casualties of the Smolensk air disaster. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:04, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Poland. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:04, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It is true that all those killed in the crash were given the order. However, he was appointed Commander of the Order of Polonia Restituta rather than one of the lower grades, which probably qualifies for WP:ANYBIO #1, although the lower grades probably don't. We would certainly consider the equivalent grades in the British honours system to meet ANYBIO (and have done so many times). -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:11, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But context is relevant: getting an award for being in the wrong place/time (dying int he aforementioned incident) is just a nice tweak to WP:NOTMEMORIAL. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:24, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have you considered that maybe these people would have been up for the honour in life anyway, but died before they could receive it? For the lower levels I would agree with you, just "recognition" for dying in a notable incident (a bit weird, in my opinion, but often done in some countries; France tends to hand out the Légion d'honneur for things like this, for instance), but not the higher levels. There's a reason these people were not made a knight or officer, but received a higher honour. And it's not just seniority, as some senior people did receive one of the lower grades. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:36, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If they are notable for other reasons, we need other sources to say so. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:00, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. If I'm reading the source on the PlWiki article correctly, this individual also seems to have been awarded the Portuguese Order of Merit in 2009 (before his death), and there's also some coverage of him in 2009 in Wiadomosci regarding alleged collaboration with the Communist regime. On the scholarly/diplomatic side, he appears to be mentioned by name on multiple occasions in a speech by the President of Estonia, he led a Delegation between Poland and Turkey, met with Syrian officials on behalf of the Poles, and performed other diplomatic functions. There some coverage of his analysis on the Partnership for Peace that I can find, and he appears to have been awarded the Freedom House's Palmer Prize (see list). Aside from all that, there's a fairly in-depth article from 1996 in The Jewish Voice about his work regarding Polish-Jewish reconciliation (as well as a few JTA pieces that also refer to this). And of course there's also the flurry of coverage around the time of his death; many of these sources are in the PlWiki article already, and WP:SIGCOV is easily met. What this all makes clear is that we have a case here where it's clearly not WP:1E, and where we have significant coverage by multiple independent RS.
WP:NOTMEMORIAL states Subjects of encyclopedia articles must satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements. Wikipedia is not the place to memorialize deceased friends, relatives, acquaintances, or others who do not meet such requirements. But this person easily meets WP:ANYBIO#1 for the Polish and Portuguese state honors, and also meets WP:NBASIC, so NOTMEMORIAL is not violated. On top of that, I think there's substantial enough coverage that an article can be written about him in a standalone fashion, so I see no need to redirect or merge. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 04:40, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:40, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm leaning towards keep: he was a high-ranking public officer, chief of Foreign Affairs Office at the Presidental Chancery, but also he received number of awards, among them US Department of Defense Medal for Distinguished Public Service. Marcelus (talk) 13:11, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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