Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marinello Schools of Beauty

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The result was no consensus. equally as many considerations both ways, and relisted twice already Nja²⁴⁷ 07:15, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marinello Schools of Beauty[edit]

This was PRODed but I felt it warranted discussion instead as it is not a very clear cut case. On the one hand, a 100+ year history and 35+ locations (which makes it the largest beauty school chain on the west coast) would seem indicate notability. On the other hand, while I can find RS to verify these facts, I can't find much as far as non-trivial coverage goes. Therefore I am neutral at this time. ThaddeusB (talk) 02:35, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Agreed that this was an odd one. I particularly enjoyed this hit in the archives:
Scope long has been considered an odd company because it recycled bakery products and operated a chain of beauty schools called Marinello Schools of Beauty. The company sold its beauty school division last month to B&H Education for roughly $8.2 million. "Our principal business is waste recycling," Laskin said. "We thought we should put our emphasis there." - Dank (push to talk) 02:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 18:17, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - long history, a big chain of schools and some coverage in RS just about adds up to a keep. TerriersFan (talk) 00:12, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:08, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Not big on WP:RS, but with locations all over Los Angeles, i'm inclined to ignore the rules for this one, especially with them having been around for years. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 18:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Unfortunately both of the sources are not independent so even if guidelines for notability were ignored, the article is unverified except by primary sources. Drawn Some (talk) 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 07:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - It is indeed surprising that an enterprise this large and well-established is so lacking in coverage through reliable sources. I was unable to dredge up any. However, it does appear that the founder of the school, Ruth Maurer, is notable although she lacks an article. Google books has results froma filtered search. Newspapers of that time referred to her as a beauty expert. I'm sure there's more sources out there that could establish her notability. This article would make sense as a section in an article about her. -- Whpq (talk) 17:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Notability asserted and nothing suggests this information is untrue. These schools often are refered to by a bewildering array of names including beauty college, school of cosmetology, _____'s Marinello school, etc etc. The current school's website will serve nicely to concur basic information and handily includes [1] a video about the school done by The Ellen Show and press releases which can also verify what's up. This is not the kind of business that works at creating headlines outside the hair-styling industry so miles of sources likely exist in trade publications, so strong keep per WP:CSB as well. -- Banjeboi 02:49, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No convincing data that the school is notable. It may well be the case that the founder is notable, but notability is not inherited. Fails WP:CORP. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- It is one of the oldest in the US and arguably one of the largest chains of beauty schools as well, this would certianly satisfy WP:N under corporations. -- Banjeboi 05:21, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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