Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marina Peninsula, Los Angeles

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep. Per WP:SK#1, the nominator has withdrawn their nomination without dissent. (non-admin closure) Michaelzeng7 (talk) 18:11, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Marina Peninsula, Los Angeles[edit]

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Not Notable. Not listed in Mapping L.A. or The Thomas Guide. Simply a small part of a true neighborhood, Venice, Los Angeles. No sources. GeorgeLouis (talk) 15:09, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The Marina Peninsula is a distinct L.A. neighborhood and geographic feature: the long narrow oceanside spit, filled with expensive condos and even more expensive houses, that runs south from Washington Boulevard (Los Angeles) and the Venice Pier to the entrance channel of Marina del Rey. There are official city street signs marking the neighborhood, including this one on Pacific Avenue near Anchorage Street[1] Passes WP:NGEO and plenty of potential sources available at GNews[2] to verify its notability and to provide a basis for improving what is currently a very skimpy article. --Arxiloxos (talk) 17:19, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:30, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per evidence supplied by Axiloxos, and per my own experience that the Marina Peninsula is a real place and definitely not part of Venice. If the article is kept, I will undertake to improve it. (Watchlisting this discussion so I will know if it is kept.) --MelanieN (talk) 16:29, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Michaelzeng7 (talk) 15:04, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge. A municipal sign installed by order of a City Council member is not a good source. Also: Anything to be legitimately said about the Marina Peninsula can be said in the article on Venice, Los Angeles. We have to be aware that:

"Sources should directly support the information as it is presented in an article. If no reliable sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it. . . . Questionable sources are those with a poor reputation for checking the facts, or with no editorial oversight. Such sources include [materials] that are promotional in nature. . . Primary sources . . . must be used with caution in order to avoid original research. While specific facts may be taken from primary sources, secondary sources that present the same material are preferred. Large blocks of material based purely on primary sources should be avoided. All interpretive claims, analyses, or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary source, rather than original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors."

In reply: Google News Archive finds plenty of evidence the area is real, recognized and notable: [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] Since these ittems are all behind paywalls it will be hard to use them to expand the article; somebody with an LA Times subscription could do it. But keep-or-delete decisions do not depend on the state of the article; the keep-or-delete decision depends on notability, and I think it is clear that this neighborhood is notable. (I also don't think this material belongs in the Venice article; the neighborhoods are so completely different in character and history that in effect it would have to be two unrelated articles under one title.)--MelanieN (talk) 15:51, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw. Sources have been found. GeorgeLouis (talk) 16:07, 24 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.