Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marc Fielmann

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The result was keep. Clear consensus that the subject is notable with significant coverage. No copyvio concerns because an interlanguage link was provided immediately after the article's creation. (non-admin closure) ComplexRational (talk) 20:55, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Marc Fielmann[edit]

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no notability of his own--inheritor of a family business. DGG ( talk ) 09:02, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He is one of the CEOs of one of the largest European eyewear companies. He is just succeeding his father. An he is CEO in day-to-day business - [1] - Blinky11 (talk) 19:02, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The claim of being Germany's youngest CEO is specifically about the subject and there are obvious alternatives to deletion such as merger with the article about the company – see WP:PRESERVE. Note also that there's an equivalent article in the German wikipedia. Andrew D. (talk) 09:21, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 09:36, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 09:36, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. CEO of company worth 5 billion, son of a billionare. The notability question here isn't the merits of the subject, but coverage of the subject. Considering we have a full length profile by Bloomberg - [2] (covering the business, finance, wealth side) as well as coverage on topics such as the subject's marriage - [3][4] - we have WP:SIGCOV. Icewhiz (talk) 09:44, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Being the son of a notable person is one of the provisions excluded by WP:NOTIHERITED as implying notability. Having an article in deWP does not necessarily imply having one in enWP, though, as I said, what meets their standards ususall meets ours also. Youngest CEO does not imply notability. CEO of a large company oftern does, if there are sources supporting the article, but there are not:

Sources--ref 1 is his own website profile and not a RS--ref 2 is a bloomberg profile, which is always subject-provided information and therefore not independent --Ref 3 is about his marriage, which is not coverage of anything distinctive about hte person ref 4 is from his company and therefore not independent --ref 5 is more about his company than it is about him. So the only even possible independent RSs are the marriage and the Bloomberg news article. I do not think that's enough. DGG ( talk ) 00:08, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The sourcing in enwiki is not good. The Bloomberg profile is significant([5]), the marriage coverage is on top of that (and shows coverage of a different aspect). dewiki is usually more strict than us. And there is more profile coverage in German - [6], [7], [8]. And there quite a bit of more coverage with him (which of course requires sifting through - some of it is routine company reports). CEOs (and in this case - with a future ownership stake) of 5 billion dollar companies tend to be notable - WP:NBUSINESSPEOPLE (Fielmann is listed in the MDAX index - the 60 companies beneath the 30 top companies in DAX (so - companies 31-90) - which in converting to the UK (which has an entry in NBUSINESSPEOPLE) is approx. the same tier as a FTSE 100 Index (100 companies)). Icewhiz (talk) 17:55, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep CEO of large multinational company. Via Google News you will easily retrieve dozens of articles published by independent news outlets. German-speaking media has published >100 articles alone last year. Note that most of the article has initially been a copy of the German Wikipedia article. Klaus 22:37, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The subject passes WP:SIGCOV. policy that applies: WP:NEXIST. Sources in German coverage as cited above. I see how a WP:BEFORE could miss the sources. Lightburst (talk) 03:18, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, article created in German WP since 24 April, with more edits on 22/23 June (see here), now looks like this, article here created on 27 June (see here), not quite word for word but very close, are there copyright issues here? Coolabahapple (talk) 01:04, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. Good sleuth work. I see no issue with going to the German Wiki to find sources that were hard to locate, but not sure about the other than refs. Lightburst (talk) 01:13, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, 1st statements of most "keepers" above revolve around Fielmann being CEO of a large multinational company/youngest CEO/being rich. This is irrelevant (although may indicate that sources will be available) to notability, what is needed are sources that discuss the person, thanks to Icewhiz for providing these above so it is a keep as meeting WP:GNG. ps. even if there were not sources available, at the very least this could have been a "merge/redirect" to the company, not an outright "delete". Coolabahapple (talk) 01:07, 21 July 2019 (UTC) note: this comment/keep was accidently deleted i am reinstating it. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:45, 21 July 2019 (UTC) [reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.