Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mao Fumei

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Overwhelming consensus to keep. While @MyanmarBBQ, Zanhe, Cawhee, Horse Eye Jack, and MA Javadi: have provided good rationale and reasoning... none of their reasoning or rationales exist in the article. Perhaps you all could work on the article and provide the notability that you've given here? @Ansh666: was correct in nominating the article as, on first look at what we have right now, there's no mention of notability. Dusti ^{*Let's talk!*} 03:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC) (non-admin closure) Dusti ^{*Let's talk!*} 03:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mao Fumei[edit]

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Classic case of WP:NOTINHERITED. While she was an important relative of two very, very notable figures, she doesn't seem to be notable herself. The article seems to have been unsourced since its creation in 2006(!), and the six foreign-language articles are similarly source-light - the Chinese version has two books, neither of which seem to be particularly useful notability-wise, and a few deadlinks. I'm just not seeing it. Possibly redirect to Chiang Kai-shek#Wives, at best. ansh 666 05:16, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Taiwan-related deletion discussions. MyanmarBBQ (talk) 07:01, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. ansh 666 05:16, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:25, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:26, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep IMO, she have support his husband's policial issues and major act in the history of Republic of China see [1]. And she have big article on Chinese wikipedia zh:毛福梅. This article needs more work/expand and refimprove, not deletion. MyanmarBBQ (talk) 06:56, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - She is notable for being the wife of a president, the mother of another, and the way she died (killed by Japanese bombing). Her death was sensational news at the time. There's a ton of coverage in Chinese about her life, and multiple biographies have been written (together with her mother-in-law), such as this. The article is in terrible shape but her notability is beyond doubt. -Zanhe (talk) 08:28, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - As a notable figure for her role in Chinese history, she must be kept. That being said, I do believe the article is in need of some TLC, but it also appears that the Chinese Wikipedia's article could be a great starting point for sources. Cawhee^Talk 17:50, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@MyanmarBBQ, Zanhe, and Cawhee: I addressed all of that in the nomination statement. Having an article on a different-language Wikipedia doesn't provide notability, as they may have different standards for inclusion. The zh-wiki article may be long, but it has no sources that are useful for en-wiki notability. Nor does being the wife or mother of someone notable make one notable, and especially not being a civilian victim of a war (could you imagine the mess that would be?). Notability requires significant coverage in reliable sources. Zanhe's contribution is a start, but IMO there needs to be much more. ansh 666 18:53, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Of course a civilian being killed in war is no big deal, but the wife of a major country's president and the mother of a future president? Can you imagine the coverage in news media if an ex-wife of Trump were killed by his enemies? And that's what happened to Mao 80 years ago. As I said, there are a ton of sources in Chinese, including dozens if not hundreds of books. It's simply ridiculous to claim there's no significant coverage. I've added "Find sources" links for her Chinese name, click them to see for yourself. (Google News returns almost 800 articles about her, 80 years after her death!) -Zanhe (talk) 19:38, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also, her tomb was vandalized by the Japanese and then by the Red Guards, so she was repeatedly in the news years after her death. It's been repeatedly rebuilt and forms part of a national cultural heritage site (see Mohe Hall zh:摩诃殿). -Zanhe (talk) 19:52, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep article should be expanded not deleted, we should not abet the erasure of clearly notable women from Chinese history. Subject unquestionably has merit outside their role as a wife and mother, not to dwell on the subject but its a little insulting to even suggest such a thing. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 21:23, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - She is notable figure for being the wife of president, just needs to add some more reliable sources and should be kept- -MA Javadi (talk) 22:36, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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