Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manuel Cidre

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There appears to be a rough consensus that WP:GNG is met. (non-admin closure) Aasim 17:38, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Manuel Cidre

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Promotional article for losing political candidate fails WP:NPOL Reywas92^Talk 20:28, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Reywas92^Talk 20:28, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Puerto Rico-related deletion discussions. Reywas92^Talk 20:28, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

• Keep-possibly snowball. El Nuevo Dia-an independent, reliable source, has plenty of articles on him per this and that is just one source. We might as well nominate Ross Perot. Plus, my eighteen years' work at wikipedia shows one thing: I don't initiate promotional articles.Antonio Androgenous Boy Martin (dime) 00:32, 18 August, 2020 (UTC)
  • A big list of random unsourced awards is absolutely promotional and not appropriate encyclopedic content as if this were his resume. "At the administrative level and as a business and civic leader, he has excelled in" is promotional content. "His commitment to Puerto Rico led him to serve" is promotional content. I see the version as created did not have this but the one I see now is a bad article and the comparison to Perot is risible. Reywas92^Talk 17:47, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
    • Then fix the advertisement sections, but don't delete the article. This guy is on Puerto Rican television from time to time, four years after losing the election. And in the context of Puerto Rico, (where I admit, it doesnt take much to be a big company, economic scale-wise) he is the Ross Perot of Puerto Rican politics; Aka a rich man who ran for the country's top position but as an independent.Antonio The Unusual Martin (aqui) 21:27, 18 August, 2020 (UTC)
• Keep: passes the GNG. Covered in many major newspaper articles. --Slashme (talk) 11:34, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
  • WP:POLOUTCOMES indicates that routine local coverage does not necessarily equate to notability. There is always a level of coverage for losing candidates that should not lead to automatic notability for running. Reywas92^Talk 17:47, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. The existence of a smattering of campaign coverage is not, in and of itself, a WP:GNG-based exemption from having to satisfy WP:NPOL — every candidate in every election can always show some evidence of campaign coverage, so if that were how it worked then every candidate would always get that exemption and NPOL itself would be inherently meaningless because nobody would ever actually have to meet it at all anymore. Rather, people who ran for election and lost get into Wikipedia in only one of two ways: either (a) they can demonstrate that they were already notable enough for a Wikipedia article for other reasons independently of the candidacy (the Cynthia Nixon test), or (b) they can show a depth and range of coverage that marks them out as much more notable than the norm for unelected political candidates, in some way that would pass the ten-year test for enduring significance (the Christine O'Donnell test). Neither of those tests have been passed here, and the article is written much more like a résumé than a proper encyclopedia article — and even people who do pass NPOL by actually holding a notable political office still don't get to keep articles written like résumés. Bearcat (talk) 19:31, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

NPOL says "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline." WP:SNG says "These are considered shortcuts to meeting the general notability guideline. A topic is not required to meet both the general notability guideline and a subject-specific notability guideline to qualify for a standalone article." --Slashme (talk) 09:32, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

I've toned down some of the language in the text. Maybe the list of awards can be trimmed? For the rest, it doesn't seem that much like a résumé anymore. --Slashme (talk) 09:42, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

• Keep Meets GNG though article needs work. Just because the article isn't in great shape, doesn't mean it should be deleted. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 23:25, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

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