Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manuel Castellanos López
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The result was keep. In addition the nominator voted keep after sources were found. (non-admin closure) Alpha Quadrant talk 18:25, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Manuel Castellanos López[edit]
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I find no matches under this name in GNews or GBooks. The article has been given a grace period as an unsourced BLP for over 3 years. Against the criteria of WP:ARTIST there may be a claim if sources can be found to support permanent public exhibition, though the only sources I can find by Google searching are circular references to this Wikipedia article and translations of it. Raising for wider discussion rather than PROD as deletion will rely on this being a sustained failure to address WP:V and there being little likelihood of this being addressed in the near future rather than potential (unsourced) claims of notability. Fæ (talk) 22:55, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment I found a detailed entry describing the career of Manuel Castellanos López at the website of Taller Experimental de Gráfica (TEG) (looks like a reliable institution mapping the development of Cuban arts). The name is Spanish, and it is better to search without the second surname, full names are used rarely in Spanish. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 23:34, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The work of the same person was a part of the exhibiton Cuba: art and history, from 1868 to today and is mentioned in the homonymous book (organized and published by Montreal Museum of Fine Arts), see [1], detailed review of the exhibition is available here. In my opinion we should keep this kind of information. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 07:43, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for finding the sources. TEG appears to be a type of technical college and the page about Lopez being his CV, presumably because has been a teacher there. On its own this does not address notability. I do not have a copy of the Cuba book, though on Google I can see a mention of his name but am left wondering if this is a tangential mention or if his significance is made clear, if you have the book perhaps you could clarify with a quote? The page referenced at www.mbam.qc.ca does not mention Lopez, perhaps there is another page somewhere that does? Fæ (talk) 06:53, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Castellanos was/is a member of TEG. Unfortunately, I don't have the book and I can't find anything apart from brief mentions in inaccessible Cuban magazines. The problem is that newspapers and magazines published on this somewhat isolated island in the 1970s and 80s aren't available online. My keep vote is based on fact that Castellanos is an internationally exhibited artist for several decades. This is verifiable by reliable sources and it is in my opinion sufficient. I admit, the coverage is very weak. It's just my opinion. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 09:36, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- If you have additional verifiable sources to address the WP:ARTIST criteria, please go ahead and add them to the article as it currently has none and this may address the AFD by default. BTW, I note that the British Library have a copy of Bondil's book and I'm happy to check it the next time I'm there, but this may be in a couple of weeks time. Fæ (talk) 10:32, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm forced to rely on online sources, and I'm afraid it is insufficient in this case (Cuban artist who was active mainly between 1970 and 1990). Another problem is artist's name, it seems to be quite usual in Spanish speaking countries. However, things should be discussed and judged properly. Thanks for your willingness to check the book. I added the fragments I found. Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 12:39, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- If you have additional verifiable sources to address the WP:ARTIST criteria, please go ahead and add them to the article as it currently has none and this may address the AFD by default. BTW, I note that the British Library have a copy of Bondil's book and I'm happy to check it the next time I'm there, but this may be in a couple of weeks time. Fæ (talk) 10:32, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Castellanos was/is a member of TEG. Unfortunately, I don't have the book and I can't find anything apart from brief mentions in inaccessible Cuban magazines. The problem is that newspapers and magazines published on this somewhat isolated island in the 1970s and 80s aren't available online. My keep vote is based on fact that Castellanos is an internationally exhibited artist for several decades. This is verifiable by reliable sources and it is in my opinion sufficient. I admit, the coverage is very weak. It's just my opinion. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 09:36, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for finding the sources. TEG appears to be a type of technical college and the page about Lopez being his CV, presumably because has been a teacher there. On its own this does not address notability. I do not have a copy of the Cuba book, though on Google I can see a mention of his name but am left wondering if this is a tangential mention or if his significance is made clear, if you have the book perhaps you could clarify with a quote? The page referenced at www.mbam.qc.ca does not mention Lopez, perhaps there is another page somewhere that does? Fæ (talk) 06:53, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The work of the same person was a part of the exhibiton Cuba: art and history, from 1868 to today and is mentioned in the homonymous book (organized and published by Montreal Museum of Fine Arts), see [1], detailed review of the exhibition is available here. In my opinion we should keep this kind of information. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 07:43, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have the (large) Cuba book in front of me (thank you British Library for your free wifi). On page 259 in the section "The 1970s: Recovery and Contemporaneity" it states "Manuel Castellanos, a meticulous draftsman, created a world of imaginative and symbolic richness in an original style, tackling Cuban reality with mordant wit. A master of the pencil drawing, he employs an intellectualized popular theme in A Comdatant People on the March (illustration 303). A landmark in Cuban drawing, it was a pioneering use of a map of the country's outline to refer to Cuban society as a whole. This contemporary motif was subsequently adopted for other purposes by Antonio E. Fernandez (Tonel), Ibrahim Miranda, Sandra Ramos and Abel Barroso." The illustration mentioned (303) is of his painting dated 1980 which is of a carefully drawn map of Cuba with various monsters around it in the ocean. The ISBN is 9782891923231 and as well as English exists in French and Spanish editions under other ISBNs. Fæ (talk) 16:33, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep on the basis of the new source with the quotation given above which can be taken as an unambiguous demonstration against several of the notability criteria defined in WP:ARTIST. As the nominator my opinion has no special status but I suggest this is taken as a strong likelihood of Snow Keep. Fæ (talk) 16:33, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you Fæ. Your attitude and collaboration at this AfD is exemplary. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 16:52, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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