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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Keilanatalk(recall) 01:54, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Manchester Center[edit]

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Very stubby article on a dead mall in Fresno. Claims to be the first mall in the city, but I can't find a single reliable source to verify this claim. Furthermore, the mall's size (460,000 square feet, according to this) puts it well under the super-regional classification that is commonly accepted as a criterion for inclusion. The fact that it's been partially converted to government offices is also of little relevance; many other dying malls have resorted to filling vacancies with office space. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 06:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Phoenix-wiki talk · contribs 13:31, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. STORMTRACKER 94 14:25, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and WP:N Macy's123 review me 18:39, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. WP:CORP, which was cited by Vegaswikian, suggests that notability is equated with secondary sources. Such coverage of Manchester exists, but is too old to be located. Secondly, the 460,000 sq. ft. estimate quoted above does not include the 80,000 sq. ft. movie theater. Thirdly, Manchester is hardly a dead mall. It underwent a major renovation within the last decade which included the addition of the aforementined movie theater. Fourthly, Manchester was the first indoor mall in Fresno (in response to Ten Pound Hammer's comments above). When such irrelevant articles as Philosophy and religion in Star Wars and pages for the main characters of the American Pie movie series can be found elsewhere on Wikipedia, surely an article for a real-life establishment can be kept. Wikipedia is going down a dangerous path if the only topics that are deemed acceptable are those that can be searched on Google News. Citadel18080 (talk) 06:46, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a reason to keep an article. Even if you add in the extra space it is still lower then the generally accepted 800,000 sqft where size alone becomes significant. Vegaswikian (talk) 04:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • The 800,000 sq. ft. size isn't even a Wikipedia guideline, it's a suggestion. Manchester is 760,000 sq. ft., which is pretty close, and is historically significant as one of the first major shopping malls in the Fresno area, having been built nearly 50 years ago. Citadel18080 (talk) 18:57, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Apparently it sits on rather historical lands (Cite added). But another source should be found to solidify the Notability. Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 10:34, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • 'who grew figs where Manchester Center is now' establishes this as a historic site? That was a single mention in passing from an article about the area. Not really something that establishes notability. Vegaswikian (talk) 04:34, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I never said a historic site, that would imply something totally different. No, what that Cite does explain is why the area, the mall included, is collectivly called "The Old Fig Garden neighborhood". Something that no other area is called, and somewhat notable. I also did mention that more Cites should be found. Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 04:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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