Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Major Robert Mark Arthur Fitzroy MC RM , Earl of Grafton

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The result of the debate was delete. W.marsh 06:23, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Major Robert Mark Arthur Fitzroy MC RM , Earl of Grafton

Basically, this guy doesn't exist. An editor faked up the page for the Earl of Euston to make it look like he had a second son [1], and then this page appeared. I have Burke's Peerage in front of me - there is no "Earl of Grafton", there is no "Robert Mark Arthur Fitzroy" related to the Earl of Euston or the Duke of Grafton, he wouldn't be a member of the Royal Family... and the rest seems to be wankery of the "I'm a Navy SEAL too!" variety. Shimgray | talk | 19:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as unverifiable. But, FYI, there are portraits here [2]) of Henry Fitzroy, the 1st Duke of Grafton, from the 17th century, who became Earl of Grafton in 1675. There's also a fictional Earl of Grafton in this book [3], if anyone cares. Slowmover 19:49, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, this is the odd thing. There's a Duke of Grafton (he's claimed as this guy's grandfather), who also has the title Earl of Euston. The NPG page appears to be in error - Henry Fitzroy was created Duke of Grafton in 1675, not Earl - according to Burke's, that title never existed. Shimgray | talk | 20:12, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as unverifiable and likely hoax. Bucketsofg 19:56, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Delete as a likely hoax. The Earl of Euston on has one son and four daughters according to Paul Theroff's on-line Gotha. A younger son of a courtesy tile holder wouln't have a title of higher precendence than his older brother (Viscount Ipswich. No new Earls have been created since the 1960's in the UK. There is no such title as the Earl of Grafton. A British Naval Services officer (Royal Marines) wouldn't receive a Military cross (Army decoration) they would receive a Distinguished Service Cross...... thelist goes on....PapaLee 23:59, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete There certainly hasn't been an Earl of Grafton since the Dukedom of Grafton was created because it would not be in accordance with the way peerage titles are managed. Osomec 01:01, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Likely hoax. New Progressive 15:55, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

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