Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mahmoud Mohammadi (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Nakon 02:57, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mahmoud Mohammadi[edit]

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Article was previously deleted in 2013 and he has no notable accomplishments since then. Winning some junior awards does not meet WP:MANOTE or WP:ATHLETE. This is no mention of him as an adult in the FILA (world wrestling organization) database. Any coverage of him is based on his winning the ancient Iranian sport of Pahlevani wrestling in 2000. I tried to redirect this article to Pahlevan of Iran and was told I had to take it to AfD by user Just Chilling. I would still prefer to Redirect this article.Mdtemp (talk) 19:42, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 21:25, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I was the one who contested the PROD mainly since I think deletion (or not) should take into consideration the Pahlevani wrestling title. Is that a notable event, is it equivalent to a National title. I could not help but think of Sumo Yokozuna. I know wrestling is big in Iran. On a related note the quality of the Pahlevan of Iran article does not inspire a lot of confidence.Peter Rehse (talk) 21:25, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't know if the article can be kept or not, but I know Pahlevan of Iran title is so important that it is tighten up by President of Iran. (see: 1 2 3 4) The title is linked to legendary hero Pouria. Pahlevun (talk) 23:41, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Those pictures are interesting showing quite a variation in awardees not all looking like top wrestlers in their competitive prime.Peter Rehse (talk) 16:14, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete Just checked the Pahlevan of Iran page. Only wrestlers who also placed in major international tournaments have English Wikipedia pages. This person perhaps warrants a page in Persian Wikipedia, but I just checked some US wrestlers of slightly lesser stature, and they don't have pages in English. Tapered (talk) 00:26, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete As per nominator but also based on the comments of Tapered. Not convinced that Pahlevan of Iran is the equal to the top competitive National wrestling title and there is no evidence of success at international senior level events.Peter Rehse (talk) 10:41, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per nominators reasoning and also the user Tapered. Mbcap (talk) 21:05, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP (Changed comment) This is a prestigious championship in a major wrestling nation. There are 2 reliable and ABSOLUTELY independent reliable sources, from nations with diametrically opposed policies--the US and Iran. I changed my comment based on a thorough reading of WP:N. Please at least extend the comment period for others to read this new opinion. Tapered (talk) 02:33, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You need then to strike out your delete !vote above. Just Chilling (talk) 03:06, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And the references are? Also that would be about the competition not the participant right?Peter Rehse (talk) 07:20, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 00:23, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete There's just not much there - I would be willing to change my mind if any efforts were made to expand and improve the article. Simonm223 (talk) 20:37, 2 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Wrestling is a major sport in Iran and being one of it's champions is on par with being a #1 PGA Championship ranking or a US Open champion in the US. Even a delete voter says this person warrants an article on Persian WP. No need to start systemic bias with this champion. Additionally the coverage already in the article, particularly by Radio Farda, looks very significant. --Oakshade (talk) 05:05, 4 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't see the significant coverage that would support a separate article for this individual. Wrestling is a big sport in Iran, so it's quite possible that this event is notable. However, there's nothing that supports a claim of notability through WP:ATHLETE since this event isn't an official FILA national championship, but rather more of a cultural and historical event. I can't decide how I want to vote on this article, but I think I am currently leaning toward a redirect on the individual and towards saying the event is notable. I know the event isn't actually up for AfD, but it feels like it. Papaursa (talk) 20:08, 4 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not sure why this wasn't CSD. I'm seeing no evidence of significant coverage. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:03, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is significant coverage of this person linked in the article. Even if it wasn't there, barring BLP concerns it wouldn't be a CSD candidate as it asserts notability. --Oakshade (talk) 06:13, 10 April 2015 (UTC) An hey, Nightshift. Nice to see you. --Oakshade (talk) 06:16, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It "asserted notability" the first time it was deleted. As a previously deleted article, it is a CSD candidate. Yes, that can be overcome of the subject becomes clearly notable, but obviously at least a few people don't see that notability. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:42, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Considering my redirect was undone by an admin, I doubt a CSD would have had a chance.Mdtemp (talk) 17:43, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.