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The result was delete. I would like to remind the people who wanted the article to be kept that notability is not inherited, and reliable, third-party sources must be found in order to establish notability. (X! · talk)  · @955  ·  21:55, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Magyar Rádióamatõr Szövetség[edit]

Magyar Rádióamatõr Szövetség (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log • AfD statistics)
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fails WP:ORG. nothing in gnews in Hungarian. [1]. 3 hits in English [2]. If you want to keep this, please supply evidence of significant coverage. LibStar (talk) 00:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep — Non-profit organizations operating on national level are notable per WP:CLUB. PanchoS (talk) 01:04, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
it does not meet criterion 2 of WP:CLUB. LibStar (talk) 01:09, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
are you kidding? "MRASZ is the national member society representing Hungary in the International Amateur Radio Union." PanchoS (talk) 01:30, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
where are the third party sources? LibStar (talk) 01:35, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
IARU's member list should be enough to verify basic information, which constitutes notability. PanchoS (talk) 01:37, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
then perhaps it should just be listed on International Amateur Radio Union article. Do you concede there is a lack of third party coverage? some of these clubs have a low a membership as 11 people. LibStar (talk) 01:46, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ahem ... WP:NOTBIGENOUGH, the number of members is irrelevant. AFD is to discuss probable notability. Exit2DOS • Ctrl • Alt • Del 17:00, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I do concede that it is not easy to find valid secondary sources – finally, amateur radio constitutes its own media cosmos. We need to take into account that Google News doesn't seem to properly cover Hungarian news sources, so it is no argument that it doesn't give any results. Probably we need to refer to old school books in old school libraries. Still, some additional sources would be nice, even if this wouldn't considerably add to the reliability of the facts we have.
Also, please note that "some of these clubs have..." is no valid argument. Even if it were such a small organization, "arbitrary standards should not be used to create a bias favoring larger organizations" WP:CLUB. But in this case, the organization even has 20+ national officials plus 16 regional branches. We also need to take the longevity of the organization into account and the fact that it is the single national association of amateur radio in Hungary and not one of an arbitrary number of associations.
PanchoS (talk) 04:13, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"old school books in old school libraries" it is a current organisation that currently exists, it therefore should get current coverage. Google news includes Hungarian coverage, see this search on the Hungarian President. LibStar (talk) 04:53, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Fails General Third Party sources. WP:GNG -- /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 02:29, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per PanchoS. See other International Amateur Radio Union national members currently listed. These are stubs, in general, notable by virtual of being national organizations and members of the IARU. Third-party coverage would ordinarily be local and difficult to find on the internet. --Abd (talk) 22:13, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
google news includes Hungarian coverage. it's a weak argument to say "there exists coverage but can't be found". LibStar (talk) 02:50, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not every newspaper in the world archives itself on the internet. Dream Focus 17:30, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Again, I ask that you consider a MASS AFD since you are using the same cookie cutter rational in every case and I am using the same !keep argument in every case. Again, I point out that your using the same request/argument for cites is moot, AFD is not cleanup. AFD is to discuss probable notability. Exit2DOS • Ctrl • Alt • Del 16:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
this is only a AfD for one article. WP:NOHARM. LibStar (talk) 22:48, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the List of amateur radio organizations is a red herring, I apologize on behalf of those who brought it up. This organization is qualified for a stub on the basis of being recognized as a national member of the International Amateur Radio Union, and it is the list there that will be seriously affected. All the organizations listed there are national in scope, and their notability is supported by the independent international recognition of the IARU, which will only recognize one organization per nation. --Abd (talk) 15:56, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Membership of IARU should be adequate for notability. The Hungarian national society is not a small one like some of the others in this deletion attempt. Amateur radio is very active in Hungary. The article deserves expansion, it should not be deleted. Dsergeant (talk) 16:34, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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