Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magdalena Cernat (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. One !vote for keeping but without offering any support from policy for his argument. I assess that the arguments for deletion are correct. JodyB_talk 12:52, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Magdalena Cernat[edit]

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Perhaps it takes a refined sense of masochism to launch a second AfD on a no-name Romanian actress after seeing the first languish for a month and then flop, but hey. Actually, I do believe that was a "delete", but I won't try to argue, so here's the second nomination.

Right. Well, rather than trying to rehash all the points I made during first nomination, do look at it yourselves. I discuss every point on every "source" in detail there. Basically, we have an actress whose name crops up in cast lists, directories and that sort of thing. What we manifestly do not have is independent evidence that Cernat has had "significant roles in multiple notable... stage performances" as mandated by WP:ENT (never mind the other two clauses of that policy; there's no question of her passing those), or that "she has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject", per WP:BASIC. Thus, delete.

Seems simple enough, doesn't it? I only hope this one lasts a week rather than a month. - Biruitorul ^Talk 02:18, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 14:33, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 14:33, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:00, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 04:41, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete No evidence of notability per guideline. - Altenmann >t 18:09, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I must confess the nominator seems to have a valid point; she's a competent stage actress, without any evidence of notability in that profession.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 05:44, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I understand your point, but when I see that this person appears in so many different independent sources, that's when I begin to doubt. So I suggested to Biruitorul, the editor who proposed the deletion and then proposed it again immediately when the first nomination failed, that being he's Romanian and the subject is Romanian and there exists an article about this subject on the Romanian Wikipedia, perhaps he could nominate the Romanian article for deletion first. Then we would be able to see what Romanian editors think about these Romanian sources and about the notability of this Romanian person. I think it would allow us to make a much more informed decision here. Cheers, Azylber (talk) 23:16, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're not showing evidence in support of your keep votes. Sure there are sources that mention her existence as an actress, but nothing showing she is notable, e.g., profiles of her life.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 23:24, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, Azylber, but your suggestion will continue being ignored: no guideline requires or even suggests going to ask ro.wiki editors their opinion; this is a matter for English Wikipedia editors to sort out.
Now how about you tell us whether, per the WP:BASIC standard of biographical notability, Cernat "has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources", or whether, per WP:ENT, she "has had significant roles in multiple notable ... stage performances"? This article has been at AfD for close to two months, and you still have failed to provide any sort of convincing evidence of the subject's notability. Asking me to launch an AfD at ro.wiki cannot mask that stark reality. - Biruitorul ^Talk 06:28, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.