Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MJ Lee

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The result was keep. Yunshui ^雲 _水 13:57, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

MJ Lee[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO on the criteria of significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. The entire article is sourced to primary sources and news organizations for which the subject worked. I have searched Google for outside interviews with her but found only one blog. Yoninah (talk) 17:21, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:24, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:24, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Korea-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:24, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep While that article about becoming a citizen is her own words is from CNN (I don’t necessarily see what’s wrong with that when it was in the context of covering the 2016 election as a CNN reporter and immigrant. They also made a video about it where she was interviewing fellow naturalized citizens in her ceremony), you clearly haven’t look hard if all you can come up with is a “blog”. Just searching I’ve seen multiple independent articles citing her reporting of things such as Elizabeth Warren as the presidential candidate, October 2018 United States mail bombing attempts (again, being that the guy tried to bomb the building she works in she would have first hand knowledge of that situation), MeToo, etc. What do you realistically expect from a journalist? At some point they’re going to be involved in the process. When the Washington Post is covering her account of working in the 2016 election, why would they not ask her questions? It’s still a reliable source that confirms things she said. When the New York Times is highlighting her as a one of the Millennial journalist on the rise, are you going to stretch and say this is now unacceptable just because her husband now works there? None of it means she isn’t a notable reporter just because you disagree with current sources. Trillfendi (talk) 19:35, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Anything written by her is just an article; it proves she exists, not that she is notable. She is quoted in one line in the New York Times source. She is written up by her alma mater, Georgetown University, and the organizations she worked for, Politico and CNN. Nowhere is there an article about her—an interview, a feature. Her career is young yet; maybe one day she'll be a notable journalist. Yoninah (talk) 21:11, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How is that Washington Post editorial not about her? Trillfendi (talk) 01:13, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations, you have one reliable source. Yoninah (talk) 01:32, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A source which disproves your comment.... Trillfendi (talk) 04:43, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand your sarcasm. The rule calls for significant coverage in reliable secondary sources (plural). You have one reliable source. This is not considered "significant coverage". Yoninah (talk) 13:33, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It was you who said, Nowhere is there an article about her—an interview, a feature. which is evidently false. Trillfendi (talk) 15:50, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I agree that there are not a lot of articles about her, at least via a cursory Google search. And I've read the notability guidelines. But she's covering a front-runner, and her reporting has been cited by several legitimate publications, such as Newsweek, Miami Herald, Elle, Washington Post, CJR, New York, People, etc. (I'm not italicizing all that...), even if some are "just" using embedded Twitter videos, etc. She also seems to be cited in a couple of books about the 2016 election. Thanks. Caro7200 (talk) 22:24, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really sure though if being used as a source is enough to establish notability about her, though. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 04:26, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In my eyes, if many reliable sources are referencing her as a journalist across many subjects, does it not make her a notable journalist? Trillfendi (talk) 05:41, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not familiar with the notability guidelines for journalists (if they exist), but from what I understand about similar topics, being used as a source and being the subject of coverage are two separate things. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:21, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

From what I’ve seen they more often explicitly cite her as CNN’s MJ Lee instead of being used as an anonymous source. Trillfendi (talk) 14:31, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Leaning to Keep but not quite clear that there are sufficient RS to nail GNG; try a re-list
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Britishfinance (talk) 01:45, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Georgetown grad did very well. High profile work and sigcov.Lightburst (talk) 03:30, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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