Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/M.A.M. College of Engineering and Technology

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is clearly to keep, with support for the suggestion that this be rewritten as an article on the M.A.M. group. Michig (talk) 06:23, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

M.A.M. College of Engineering and Technology[edit]

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No claims of notability. Institution doesn't seem to meet WP:ORG or WP:GNG. Cabe 6403 ^{(Talk•Sign)} 12:14, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:12, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:13, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Degree-granting institution affiliated to Anna University. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:29, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless sources can be provided to demonstrate notability - so far there are none. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:02, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Redirect to Anna University - I couldn't find any sources showing notability. Found mostly a lot of "college stats and facts" type websites.-- Atlantima ~✿~ (talk) 12:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I have added the institution's own website and a ref confirming the Anna University affiliation. AllyD (talk) 18:28, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Degree-granting institution affiliated to Anna University. TerriersFan (talk) 22:39, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. It is my understanding per WP:ORGDEPTH that even if this college is tied to a larger university, it does not inherit that university's notability. Without notability of this specific college demonstrated in the article, I am leaning toward delete. This is what I understood from the relevant policies. MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:44, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- It has generally been consensus that accredited degree-awarding institutions are notable. In India, accreditation means affiliation to an institution with university status, hence the keep opinions above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:03, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please link to the discussion where this consensus was reached. Also note that I have asked you multiple times to provide such a link and you never have.-- Atlantima ~✿~ (talk) 13:24, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's a very simple policy called "common sense". We all know that consensus has been reached. We only have to look at the many past AfDs to see it. There is no point in your endlessly asking for some sort of written proof of what is patently obvious to all who take part in these AfD discussions. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:29, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stalwart111 00:19, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite as article on M.A.M. Group of Institutions incorporating also the existing article M.A.M College of Engineering. The Indian higher education system is perhaps unique in the variety and complexity of its networks. Some such groups are groups of institutions of a similar purpose under private control--either profit-making or charitable, with a number of campuses in different cities; these would be equivalent to the multiple campuses of a US state university, which we normally consider as separate, with separate articles. As far as I can tell, this group is different: they are the related subject-oriented colleges of a single university, roughly equivalent to the separate colleges of a large US university. Our practice on these varies: for a major university where the colleges are particularly important, they often get separate articles; for a less important university, they are covered in one article. There is no clear separation--sources are normally available to write separate articles if it serves any purpose, but often it does not. That would appear to be the case here: the purpose of providing information would be best served by a single article with redirects. (I've worked on these before, and I volunteer to write an adequate stub to start off with that will at least bring together the various units.) The affiliation to Anna University is yet another type of networking, characteristic more of India than any other country, derived from a system formerly prevalent in the UK: not all Indian universities actually have authority to offer degrees, and the ones that do not offer the degrees formally through a connection with one of the universities that are so authorized. There may be no other relationship, besides the major university acting as a certifying body. Such a merge is never appropriate. Additionally, Indian universities (as in some other countries with still developing higher education systems) are prone to form relationships of some sort with whatever institutions they can in better-known education systems--and universities in the US and, to a lesser degree, the UK, and probably elsewhere, are reciprocally eager to form such connections to establish an international presence, however nominal. It is not necessarily easy to tell the actual state of affairs from the web sites, without some experience in interpreting the terminology--it took me severasl years of working with these articles here to keep it straight; consequently, many of the WP articles are quite confused. DGG ( talk ) 01:19, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep then Rewrite/Merge per DGG's awesome analysis above. TerriersFan (talk) 00:37, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar · · 03:39, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and then rewrite as article on M.A.M. Group of Institutions per DGG. Salih (talk) 17:17, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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