Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lyudmila Sokolova

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The major point at stake here is whether or not we should consider the Golden Gramophone Award to be viewed as a major music award.

We don't list it where you'd expect to a see a major award listed and the only local award listed in the awards nav template is the now defunct MTV Russia Music Awards. This seems to rule out meeting WP:SINGER#8. This leaves the policy basis for the keep votes on a poorer footing and pushes this from no consensus to delete. Seddon ^talk 00:21, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lyudmila Sokolova[edit]

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Fail of WP:GNG and WP:NSINGER. nearlyevil 665 18:41, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. nearlyevil 665 18:41, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. nearlyevil 665 18:41, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:49, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I've added a sitelink to ruwiki. There are several good sources there. For example, this one: https://vlg.aif.ru/culture/art/1368052 Dr.KBAHT (talk) 00:31, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's an interview piece. Doesn't qualify for Wikipedia:GNG. I also did a WP:BEFORE and found nothing that would pass notability criteria, including the references in the ruwiki. If you feel strongly about any particular three references, I would be more than glad to make a source assessment table. nearlyevil 665 05:39, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- She meets several WP:SINGER criteria. For example, she meets #8 by having the Golden Gramophone Award 2013 as stated on Russkoye Radio (https://rusradio.ru/artists/liudmila-sokolova). That's one of the highest music awards and one of the main radio stations. She got another notable award in 2010 for the single with DJ Smash, which is stated in the same source and ruwiki. Dr.KBAHT (talk) 18:12, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: not much in the reliable sources about the subject found, WP:TOOSOON, WP:GNG. thanks QueerEcofeminist[they/them/their] 06:27, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
She got receive award in 2010 for the single with DJ Smash which is great achievement Kayle123 (talk) 19:56, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - currently does not meet either WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:54, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
She won a Golden Gramophone Award, major award. There is a review of her album [1]. DJ Smash song was a major hit. Keep. Kirill C1 (talk) 12:56, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As per Kirill and https://kulturomania.ru/news/item/lyudmila-sokolova-vypustila-klip-po-motivam-mastera-i-margarity/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.com%2Fnews%2Fsearch%3Ftext%3D Sheijiashaojun (talk) 11:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (Talk) 06:10, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Passes WP:SINGER with gramophone win. It's a major award in created by Russkoye Radio. (See this and this.) Heartmusic678 (talk) 16:58, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - promotional article and lacks sources supporting that it meets WP:MUSICBIO. MrsSnoozyTurtle 09:13, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Adding to the WP:PROMO concerns, I've just noticed that the recent edits from the creator's account are all related to Lyudmila's record label. MrsSnoozyTurtle 05:44, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - there is obvious lack of sources that would testify the article meets required criteria.--Melaleuca alternifolia | talk 20:34, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (Talk) 13:17, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete Unsourced Promotional BLP. Unable to identity here in the traditional places you would find singers, like Spotify and Apple Music and Soundcloud. The two references for the Gramaphone award don't mention her. I don't know what is going on there. Even if there was an award, as a BLP there would still more coverage and its non-existant. If there was coverage there would be references. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:MUSICBIO. scope_creep^Talk 09:18, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- How the article can be promotional if it only mentions her occupation and discography? I don't know what is going on, too, but two of the references provided on this deletion page (rusradio.ru and kulturomania) mention the fact. Does this Soundcloud [2] count? Kirill C1 (talk) 16:24, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep she won the major music award and source found by above. Clearly passes WP:MUSICBIO #8 by having the Golden Gramophone Award 2013. 117.18.230.34 (talk) 05:05, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. While I agree that the article is poorly referenced, her award win means she meets criteria 8 of WP:MUSICBIO. This is easily verifiable on the website of the awards themselves where a list of winners is located. 4meter4 (talk) 16:03, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. per nom, MrsSnoozyTurtle, and others. I would add, in reply to the above comment, that WP:MUSICBIO #8 is about a major award such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award. The award brought up in this discussion is not a major award. It's an award given by a single radio station... if not all that insignificant an award due to to the popularity of the radio station, it's still a far cry from the meaning of major indicated by the above example. — Alalch Emis (talk) 21:36, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure whether this is relevant (or entirely correct), but from what I understand the award in question is not voted on by a panel or a jury but by listeners of that particular radio. nearlyevil 665 21:53, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

From what I understand, the award's are basically government sponsored, as it's a national radio station, and they are held at the Moscow Kremlin. I think you may be underselling the significance of the award. I have no idea if it's by popular vote or by a panel/jury of voters.4meter4 (talk) 22:31, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.