Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lyndon Burgess

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The result was Withdrawn. I agree the article should be moved. (non-admin closure) – Levivich 06:13, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lyndon Burgess[edit]

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Article subject does not meet ~~WP:NFOOTY or~~ WP:GNG. – Levivich 03:38, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2019 May 31. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 04:01, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ Move to Lyndon Nigel Burgess. Fails WP:GNG. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:15, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL with six appearances for Bermuda national team, as confirmed by this. Needs improving, not deleting. Giant Snowman 07:47, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep Six international appearances means he meets WP:NFOOTY. Number 5 7 10:00, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – GiantSnowman, Number 57, National-Football-Teams.com is (1) a self-published source that cannot be used to cite facts about a BLP per WP:BLPSPS, and (2) does not say "Lyndon Burgess" has 6 appearances for the Bermuda national team, it lists "Nigel Burgess." How do we know Lyndon Burgess and Nigel Burgess are the same person? Are there any reliable sources that say Lyndon Burgess appeared in a game for the Bermuda national team? I can't find any. (Soccerway doesn't have it, nor Soccerstats.us, nor Worldfootball.net.) I note there's also a Tyrell Burgess on the team. – Levivich 17:36, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- His full name is Lyndon Nigel Burgess (he is also listed as such at Hamilton Parish F.C., his most recent club), and it seems sources largely use his middle name – so it should be moved to Nigel Burgess (footballer). This RS confirms his international caps. Number 57 18:20, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Interestingly he's also played for the Bermuda national rugby union team. See this interview. This confirms his full name as Lyndon Nigel Burgess). I wonder whether we should instead move the article to Nigel Burgess (sportsman) instead. Number 5 7 18:25, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Number 57, I'm not totally convinced that "a former Bermuda goalkeeper" = NFOOTY notability, but you've convinced me he is NSPORTS notable for having played on the national rugby union team. Good research, and I agree about moving the article to Nigel Burgess (athlete) or (sportsman). Piotrus, does this information change your opinion? – Levivich 21:20, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    There are several other sources that make it clear that we have a WP:NFOOTY pass here. He doesn't pass the rugby criteria though. (sportsman) is preferable to (athlete) as the latter is generally used to refer to people involved in athletics, at least in British English. Number 5 7 21:29, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair enough. – Levivich 21:31, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Sorry, we need a better ref for him appearing on Bermuda. Aren't there any official, reliable sources? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:13, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @Piotrus: This from the Bermuda Sun in 2006 showed he has four caps at the time. Island Stats (which seems to be one of the main online sports news portal for Bermuda) also had him at four caps in the same year. Number 57 15:15, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Number 57: Thank you. I've changed my vote to 'Move to Lyndon Nigel Burgess' as it seems to be his fuller name and knowing it beforehand would prevent some confusion here, I think. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:04, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, NFT is widely used and considered reliable by WP:FOOTBALL. SPS doesn't really apply here. GiantSnowman 07:11, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- BLP policy doesn't apply to WP:FOOTBALL? – Levivich 00:11, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - should be a speedy too. This nomination is completely unnecessary and a waste of everyone's time. Multiple international starts, that can be easily verified if the nominator had applied WP:BEFORE. User:Levivich needs to start fixing articles that they don't feel are up to snuff, rather than proposing deletion without applying WP:BEFORE. As this has been pointed out to them before, at what point do we consider an AFD topic ban? Nfitz (talk) 20:24, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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