Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lucy Jefferson

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. and rename Courcelles 01:45, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy Jefferson[edit]

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No indication of notability for the subject, only for relatives. In fact, the article is almost more about the relatives than about Lucy herself. Article was previously prodded, then deprodded with the comment "immediate family of presidents usually have sufficient printed sources & are notable"; if that's true, then such sources should be cited here. Auntof6 (talk) 23:26, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or redirect to Thomas Jefferson, as he had two children by that name also. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Notability is not inherited. Ravenswing 16:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I note that nobody above has offered any analysis of sources. Searching for the subject's full married name finds plenty of sources covering her sons' murder of a slave, which should be covered somewhere in Wikipedia but probably not under this title, and of her monument, which appears to be something of a Kentucky landmark. There's also some coverage of her as a poet, such as [1] and [2]. I'm not quite sure what to make of this publication, which appears to be self-published. Phil Bridger (talk) 11:56, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: I found coverage of the murder under Slave George. At least one book about the incident, Jefferson's Nephews: A Frontier Tragedy, understandably gives plenty of coverage to Lucy. Location (talk) 05:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:42, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I expanded the article and added several references. Among other signs of notability, there is a bridge named for her on U.S. Highway 60, and the local chapter of the DAR was named for her. --MelanieN (talk) 19:37, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:04, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Meets WP:GNG. I think the sources that Melanie has added demonstrate some sort of notability outside of just being President Jefferson's sister. Without much work, I was able to find a bit stating that he named two of his kids after Lucy and another sister. There is likely much more. Location (talk) 04:26, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I now think it has enough references, and the focus is on the subject more than before. I don't know if I should withdraw my nomination, or just let this discussion play out. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:02, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A bridge named after her....I think that is notable enough.--BenOneHundred (talk) 12:25, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment that is not a good reason to keep an article. There are various bridges in my area named after local councillors: it's a peculiarity of the local council. None of them are notable enough to have articles on Wikipedia. -- role^player 12:33, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

QuestionAre those bridges part of the U.S. highway system? --MelanieN (talk) 14:55, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: No, they're in the United Kingdom. May I suggest any further correspondance about these bridges, if necessary take place on my talk page? -- role^player 14:56, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep following the rewrite. I think the references and narrative that have been added clearly demonstrate that this individual meets the WP:GNG. -- role^player 12:38, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment She seems to be better known as Lucy Jefferson Lewis, so maybe the article should be renamed if kept. Currently Lucy Jefferson Lewis redirects to this article. --MelanieN (talk) 14:55, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - agreed. That appears to be the name she is most known for. -- role^player 14:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Reply. I would be OK with that, too. There really isn't much to say about President Jefferson's two children of the same name who died very young, so I'm not convinced a disamb page is needed. Location (talk) 15:01, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.