Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lucien Dante (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Sarah-Jane (talk) 08:14, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Lucien Dante

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Subject of the article fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. I can't see that evidence of notability perhaps WP:TOOSOON. Although, this debate was recently closed as "No Consensus" with no prejudice against speedy re-nomination. Wikic¤l¤gy^{t@lk to M£} 06:19, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. GSS (talk) 16:31, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. GSS (talk) 16:31, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

• Delete for now at best as simply none of the listed coverage suggest a better notable and acceptable article here. SwisterTwister talk 05:47, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:27, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

There is more than enough evidence of notability here in regards to WP:NMUSIC Major radio play and interview from Playboy Music Spotlight on Playboy Radio has yet to be added. Playboy Radio is a worlwide music station with it's own notoriety. This artist also has published works in upcoming National Commercials and Broadcast TV shows, links will be provided when released. Artist music has also been curated by Pandora Radio and Getty Music.JohnatDegRecords (talk) 22:19, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

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Streaming platforms don't count toward meeting WP:NMUSIC #11: only terrestrial radio networks count. Placing music in commercials doesn't count toward NMUSIC #10, and placing music in TV shows only counts if it's the show's main theme song. And no criterion in NMUSIC can be passed just by asserting it, either — the criterion is not passed until it can be verified as true in reliable sources which are independent of the article subject. (For example, even if a television show does pick one of his songs up as its main theme song, that criterion still isn't passed until reliable sources start writing about the fact.) "Reliable sources" means real newspapers, real music magazines, books and the like — not blogs, not Kickstarters or Bandcamps or Facebooks or Soundclouds, not university or college student media, and not press releases from the artist's own record label. Also, as a representative of his record label you have a conflict of interest. Bearcat (talk) 07:46, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:01, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

• No criterion in WP:NMUSIC can ever be passed just by asserting that it's been passed; it's passed by reliably sourcing the accuracy of the claim to passage. But the sourcing here is parked entirely on Tumblrs and blogs and social media profiles and student media, with no evidence of coverage in any sources that would count for anything toward the meeting of WP:GNG. And the claims to passing NMUSIC provided above aren't just unsourced — they're claims that actually wouldn't count as NMUSIC passes even if they were sourced, because they fall entirely too far short of what the NMUSIC criteria actually demand. Wikipedia is not a free advertising platform on which any musician is entitled to an article just because he exists, nor is it a public relations platform on which his record label is entitled to promote him. Delete as WP:TOOSOON, without prejudice against recreation in the future if his sourceability and notability ever improve. Bearcat (talk) 07:46, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

First of all let me thank you for letting me know how the process works, could have been less hostile but helpful none the less. The very last place I would come for any type of promotion would be here at Wikipedia as I don't consider it promotion to inform the public that want to know more about him. This artist has performed as part of a major broadcast television event in Germany called the Teddy Awards, the biggest awards show in Germany dealing with LGBT artistry and talent, he had a "terrestrial radio" interview as part of that and a "real" German newspaper had an article that "talks" about him. At this point I will back out of the process to remedy the conflict of interest claim and will leave it up to the general public to add or edit as long as this page stays up. Thank You! JohnatDegRecords (talk) 05:33, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

• Delete: does not meet notability of WP:MUSIC and therefore is TOOSOON. Delta13C (talk) 16:17, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

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