Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luca Brasi

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was stow the garrotte and hold the fish while the Dons make up their mind about to best deal with Luca. (Er, no consensus, default to keep.) Sandstein 07:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Luca Brasi[edit]

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The character receives all of two scenes in the film and is only slightly expanded upon in the novel. Not grounds for an entire article to be devoted to him. The Filmaker 16:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per my own nom. The Filmaker 16:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • This AfD Should Sleep With The Fishes. Oh, come now. If we can have articles on every model of battlesuit that had so much as ten seconds screentime on Mobile Suit Gundam, we can have an article on a character provoking one of the most famous lines in cinematic history, one that's entered the public vocabulary. (This is a Keep, by the bye.) RGTraynor 19:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment- I don't think we should have articles on every Gundam battlesuit. Reyk YO! 19:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • As stated below, the only significant contribution from the character is the quote. Which can be discussed in The Godfather article. How is your reasoning a suitable excuse for keeping the article? "Oh, we've already got the same problem in other areas. Let's not bother to try to improve Wikipedia at all..." The Filmaker 20:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep- Luca Brasi is an important character in an important work. Reyk YO! 19:39, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • How exactly is he important? He gets put on a job, and then gets killed. The only significant contribution he gives is to the "sleeping with the fishes" quote. The Filmaker 19:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep/Merge/Redirect I think there's enough on this page to warrant a seperate article. It's not like anybody is arguing for the information to be outright removed. It is short, but since there is no "minor characters in the Godfather series" article, it can't be merged. Yet. At the least, since people might look up Luca Brasi, a redirect to somewhere is probably necessary. FrozenPurpleCube 20:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Quite. I get that Filmaker disagrees, but there are only so many variations on "I don't think he's important!" a single AfD warrants. RGTraynor 20:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletions. -- Slgr@ndson (page - messages - contribs) 21:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film and TV-related deletions. -- Slgr@ndson (page - messages - contribs) 21:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per RGTraynor. --Xiahou 02:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Put a fish in it, wrap it in newspaper and delete it: Not enough information for an encyclopedic article without including vast amounts of trivia, it could easily and painlessly be merged, and the information is already covered in adiquate detail in the main articleWintermut3 03:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Best AfD discussion ever. --Hemlock Martinis 04:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or combine all minor characters. I enjoyed reading it, and the other character synopses. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 05:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would certainly support a Merge & Redirect were there a "Minor characters in The Godfather" article. RGTraynor 15:05, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Despite his brief role, he is a somewhat iconic character of the Godfather series. Danny Lilithborne 05:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just because the character is notable does not warrant an entire article to based upon him. The question is, how would keeping this article improve Wikipedia? The only thing the character brings to pop culture is the quote, so the focus of the information should be on the quote, not the person. This information does not deserve it's own article either, so the information should be placed in The Godfather article. So the only notable information that this article could wield does not even belong in the article. What's the point? The Filmaker 23:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The point is that half a dozen editors disagree with your POV, for reasons already given above. RGTraynor 05:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The only reason given is that he is "somewhat iconic" or "important". These are not grounds for an entire article. It is common sense that if an article cannot be expanded beyond a stub that it be merged with another article. This article is a stub, it cannot be expanded without useless trivia, and the only notable information from this character is the quote, which should be merged into The Godfather article. The Filmaker 17:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP - Luca's role is more important that his limited appearance in the novel and film; he remains a fear inspiring memory throughout the Godfather. Moreover, Micahel's decision to groom his own 'Luca' in Al Neri signifies his complete acceptance of his own role as Don. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.25.163.175 (talk • contribs)

  • Do people even bother to read anymore? "He's important!" can't anybody give me a straight answer as to why this is a suitable excuse to keep an article? The Filmaker 21:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unless someone comes along and fills this up with sourced out-of-universe info, merge and redirect with some of the other minor characters (some of whom are on AfD) to a List of minor characters in The Godfather series (just because it doesn't exist yet doesn't mean that it couldn't be created). The people recommending to delete are correct that, currently, there's really not enough here to sustain an independent article. On the other hand, WP:FICT suggests that lists of minor characters are acceptable and, in the case, probably the best solution. — TKD::Talk 09:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Keep --Ted-m 18:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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