Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Love Silk food

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was snow delete. I've emailed the student a copy of their work so they can show their professor. I've also left them a message about why their works have been getting removed and a suggestion of how they could otherwise contribute. I did also look over the material, but like the other pages the content is original research. The sources aren't actually about the book, but used to back up claims. (I'd done some WP:BEFORE when putting the book article together as well.) ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 16:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Love Silk food[edit]

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This article has a complex history as a school project (see User_talk:Dino_Marc#Welcome! and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gender Analysis of 'What He Is' and AfD seems a little heavy handed, but the creator believes it's a fit for mainspace, so we're here. It's an essay about a short story and the themes present in it. However, the sourcing doesn't align with the short story - it's just about those themes in general. This project and article are clearly not appropriate for mainspace. Can anyone reach the instructor to explain that this isn't what Wikipedia is for? Star Mississippi 15:15, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy @JBW and Guettarda: Star Mississippi 15:16, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Wikipedia is not a host for class projects. The tutor needs to visit Wikipedia:Education noticeboard to seek to save their students' grades and marks. This is pure WP:OR and has no place as an article 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:25, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP is not an essay hosting site, regardless of if they are for educational purposes. Agreed this is complete WP:OR that needs to be deleted. --Kbabej (talk) 15:28, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I've removed the other per SNOW and I can do this one as well but want to see more consensus - on a side note, I've created a page for the collection. It's in rough shape since I was pretty much just looking for enough to establish notability. If the class is willing to edit within policy then this would make for an excellent project to work on, as it's pretty bare bones and I'm sure they have more access to content written about the work than I would. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 16:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and/or move to userspace not enclyopediic per noms above Rlink2 (talk) 17:03, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: See also Draft:Art, For Fucks Sake, which its another in this class project 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:20, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gender Theory In 'President Daisy'. This is desperately unfair to the class. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:25, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Rlink2 they contested the move, which is how we ended up here. I didn't want to AfD as it seemed too heavy handed, but these don't belong. @Timtrent yeah, I feel the same. @Dino_Marc responded on their talk, so maybe there can be a way to engage. I know @Guettarda tried as well. Star Mississippi 17:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the article should be taken off WP, just moved to draftspace. While Wikipedia is not an essay hosting service, I think leaving the article in draft space is the best way to move forward to avoid any further drama. If the instructor doesn't understand how Wikipedia works, they are unlikely to understand the difference between mainspace or draftspace. Draftspace will seem to make everybody happy. Rlink2 (talk) 18:45, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how draftspace would help anyone here. The entire article is OR on a non-notable subject. Why would be encourage more work on it? --Kbabej (talk) 18:48, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry i meant to say userspace. Rlink2 (talk) 18:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the clarification, but what purpose would it serve WP in saving it? Not trying to badger; just understand why WP should save this content. --Kbabej (talk) 18:52, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't serve a purpose on Wikipedia, in my opinion. But outright deleting it could cause drama between these instructions that apperently, from what I have been hearing, have a hard time understanding wikipedia. If its in userspace it does no harm to anyone while reducing drama. Rlink2 (talk) 18:57, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think it will encourage the student and instructor to keep working away at the article. I don't think it best practice to simply move it to avoid drama. If it's unsuitable for WP, it's unsuitable. --Kbabej (talk) 19:00, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Rlink2 Draft space is not intended for this category of use. Please refer to WP:DRAFTIFY. It is not a holding zone for items which will never make it to be articles. While an outcome of an AfD might be to draftify that still has to comply with the rules 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Timtrent I had meant to say userspace, not draftspace. Rlink2 (talk) 18:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Rlink2 I appreciate your comment. I'm not entirely sure it works in user space, though. See WP:NOTWEBHOST

This entire thing is unfair on 100% of the class, and appears to have been created by an unwise or uninformed instructor. While I have sympathy with the students, and all of their work, my loyalties lie with Wikipedia. Let the instructor solve the problem. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not a beaucrarcy or a government where laws have to be followed no matter what. If they are working on the article in userspace, and they aren't disrupting any other part of the article, I'd say thats fine.

But yes, the ideal solution would be to delete the article and get the instructor to understand Wikipedia Rlink2 (talk) 21:18, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The community rises above all. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:42, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The trouble with your (very kind, very human, I appreciate and respect it) argument is that it creates an inventive system whereby the main lesson all the students and academics take from this is that they can do this and we presented them with a workaround mechanism to use wikipedia for not wikipedia purposes. There are negative consequences to this. I think if anyone wants to change the rules of wikipedia there is a process for that, but this process is to apply them. I'm not a fan of causing problems for others, but the cause of the problem is not the implementation of the rules, it's the teacher's bad choices. I think we must delete to signal and incentivize less of this. CT55555 (talk) 01:18, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Quick note: I did email the student a copy of the article so they have something to show their instructor if that's part of the concern with leaving a draft. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:33, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not encyclopedic content. If we leave in draft and it satisfies the instructor, we will get more of this. CT55555 (talk) 18:53, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Clearly unsuitable for an encyclopedia. --LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop and My Little Pony Fan) 19:56, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete extremely obvious WP:NOTWEBHOST violation. Dronebogus (talk) 13:33, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all, preferably speedy, as a cocktail of OR, SYNTH, NOTESSAY and NOTHERE. And it's pretty poor to see Wiki Edu condoning this kind of thing. SN54129 19:10, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Come Let Us Sing Anyway. The plot summary of the story can be used there. I agree that there's little point in moving things to draftspace when there's no chance the topic could be notable, but it actually doesn't look like anyone has engaged meaningfully with the story's notability. Many individual short stories are notable, like Ivy Day in the Committee Room. Just because this version of the article is OR does not mean that no valid article can be written on the topic. I am not saying the story is notable-- I haven't looked-- but the fact that it has clearly been assigned in this class gets it halfway to a pass of WP:NBOOK#4, so I don't see why it is being dismissed out of hand. AfD is not cleanup. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 00:54, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This is an essay about a story. There is no encyclopaedic content here. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 04:36, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.