Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Louise Dombrowski

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Jayjg ^(talk) 04:40, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Louise Dombrowski[edit]

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Delete No evidence of notability. The only "references" to pages which give only very brief mentionsi. The article itself says the character appears for only "just a few seconds", and the claim to significance seems to rest on the unattributed and unsourced subjective view that the character "is one of the most memorable". PROD was removed with no explanation. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails general notability guidelines as per above. Eddie.willers (talk) 13:12, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There is nothing to establish notability, the wording of the article itself points to this character not being notable. ~~ GB fan ~~ ^talk 14:51, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The article provides 4 different references that establish notability and show the importance and significance of the character and scene for Twin Peaks fans. Nadavkna (talk) 15:20, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. The references that Nadavkna refers to above, to establish notability, are specious. They include a transcription of the dialogue to Episode 15, music reviews and a review of a boxed set DVD of Twin Peaks - in which "The great moments from season two's later episodes become increasingly isolated, restricted to such incidental vignettes as Ben and Jerry Horne's (Richard Beymer and David Patrick Kelly) virgin-no-more recollection of the flashlight-twirling Louise Dombrowski". In other words, the subject of this article is mentioned only in passing and within the context of the music used in her scene. I still see no evidence of the character's notability within the story-arc of the show that would merit a standalone article. Eddie.willers (talk) 17:05, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The different reviews of the soundtrack and the series all relate specifically to the scene, which is of signifacant importance for Twin Peaks fans. The majority of the article also refers to the scene, and not to the character itself. Due to the notability of the scene and the fact that the character does not appear in any other episodes of the series, this scene is known and connected soley to the character by TP fans. Please also note the comments by Twin Peaks fans to the scene (one of many uploads) in youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p_OnR0QK0k Nadavkna (talk) 17:22, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:39, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:40, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep 1) It's a brand new article and is still being actively developed, so the nomination is premature. 2) Despite how trivial the topic seems to be, there are several sources already in the article which discuss the character or her minor appearance. Overall, I expect the final outcome may be to merge it somewhere appropriate rather than have it as a standalone article, but let's give the editor developing this article the benefit of the doubt, shall we? Jclemens (talk) 19:51, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Have you actually read those "several sources"? A couple of them do not mention Louise Dombrowski, and the others do not by any stretch of the imagination give substantial coverage. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:18, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete If the creator keeps a copy and finds references that comply with Wikipedia's standards, they can try again. It seems to be a very minor incident, and I am rather surprised that the character was even named - 'Girl with flashlight' would be more usual in a case like this. It was obviously not enough of a part for a professional actor (or dancer) to be hired for. Possibly a mention in the article about Twin Peaks could be made, but a whole article is hardly merited. Peridon (talk) 22:22, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment So what if it's a minor incident or only a few seconds long? the entire notability of the scene is based on the fact that it's a short almost hidden scene, unrelated to other TP plots. Do you know "Before The Law" by Franz Kafka? It is only a very small chapter inside a book, about a page length, and still it is one of the most influential and significant works in literature and western culture. And obviously it has its own article in Wikipedia...The length of the work is hardly a relevant issue. Nadavkna (talk) 08:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you can find a discussion of the significance and meaning of this scene by someone like Jacques Derrida, I might be more impressed. But remember that Bill having an article doesn't mean Ben gets one as a matter of course. I have read most of Kafka, but I will confess to not having watched Twin Peaks. Mind you, I don't know if it was shown over here, and I see very little TV anyway (not having a working set or current licence and managing to avoid watching other people's sets whenever possible). I base my opinions here on the article, not on being a fan. While Twin Peaks does have notability, I fail to see that this scene does, and also cannot see how it could compare with 'Before the Law'. Peridon (talk) 17:03, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Further Comment & Request For Clarification. I still don't get it. This article is, by implication, about a TV show character: who appears in one, brief, scene only; who has no dialogue in that scene; and, most importantly, whose face we do not see. On that basis, how is the article justified? What notability is demonstrated?

Now, if the article were to be about the scene itself, in which this character appears, and its relevance or notability within the context of the show and the story-arc, then I can see that there is a rationale for the article. Question is - what's it to be? "Louise Dombrowski" or "The Hook-Rug Scene"? Either way, perhaps we should be discussing the rationale for a merge to Twin Peaks rather than a standalone. Eddie.willers (talk) 13:11, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- CommentPerhaps it will be possible to publish it as a standalone article under "The Hook Rug Dance", as this is also the name of the instrumental music piece appearing as a track in the Twin Peaks soundtrack album, (and not under the character's name). Of course this will require a few changes in the opening lines. Nadavkna (talk) 11:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not enough direct coverage for a standalone article. But Drive with a Dead Girl would have a better chance at surviving since episodes are usually given a bit more leeway than other fictional content. (Assuming coverage in reliable sources can be found.) Shooterwalker (talk) 14:58, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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